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    Energy drain is an internal limiter on SCH’s bonkers theoretical HPS. SCH is already the strongest healer, it doesn’t also need to be the highest throughput healer

    The only problem people run into with “selfish SCH’s” is the fact that if the shield healer is uncooperative the regen healer is basically useless because the game NEEDS a shield healer but a regen healer is basically optional. So if you are a WHM/AST and you have a SCH that refuses to use soil it can affect your progress but I think that’s a necessary evil for the fact that ED is why SCH’s healing kit is so well designed (well for a modern 14 healer)

    A non selfish SCH is basically just SGE which just trades SCH’s cutting edge value for…….pointless HPS? What great design
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Energy drain is an internal limiter on SCH’s bonkers theoretical HPS. SCH is already the strongest healer, it doesn’t also need to be the highest throughput healer
    The funny thing is, they are strongest in terms of DPS followed by Ast then SGE, and then whm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kohashi View Post
    The funny thing is, they are strongest in terms of DPS followed by Ast then SGE, and then whm.
    Maybe I'm not reading it right but this hasn't been what I've been seeing in the funny numbers site with the current Savage tier and FRU lately. All but AST tends to be really close but SCH's generally been on the bottom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azurarok View Post
    Maybe I'm not reading it right but this hasn't been what I've been seeing in the funny numbers site with the current Savage tier and FRU lately. All but AST tends to be really close but SCH's generally been on the bottom.
    Since DT of the three that aren’t AST SCH tends to have the highest peaks but the lowest average (as it’s the hardest healer) but damage wasn’t really my original point in that anyway. SCH is the strongest healer because of everything else it offers
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    If we're honest, the "harder" jobs aren't played much. Take BLM's long history for example.
    And I've thought it was reasonable for BLM to have dps rivaling Melees because of that, making its risks come with a return.

    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Since DT of the three that aren’t AST SCH tends to have the highest peaks but the lowest average (as it’s the hardest healer) but damage wasn’t really my original point in that anyway. SCH is the strongest healer because of everything else it offers
    Ohh right, I probably should be caring more about the peaks in this context. I guess that variance is caused by how much its output can change based on how safe you plan to use it, and how much its kit can offer compared to the others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azurarok View Post
    And I've thought it was reasonable for BLM to have dps rivaling Melees because of that, making its risks come with a return.



    Ohh right, I probably should be caring more about the peaks in this context. I guess that variance is caused by how much its output can change based on how safe you plan to use it, and how much its kit can offer compared to the others.
    Peaks and average are both important for healers as SCH/AST are quite dependent on party alignment for their buffs to actually get full value. A high peak and low average on SCH basically means in an optimised group SCH is the best but YOUR SCH probably isn’t the best

    It’s just that SCH offers so much more than its damage that even if you have a relatively poor SCH damage wise they can still offer so much more than a SGE or a WHM
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess