Chaotic is midcore, in case you were wondering

[Eraden]

Mao curious as to why people so focused on levels of difficulty. From Mao perspective, activities either funs or not funs. Boss fights in EW and now in DT are not funs for Mao. Reason is that players being stripped of agency as fights become highly scripted and is become less abouts what players can do and more abouts following the requirements of the fights. DDR sucked the funs out of the game for Mao and thus, regardless of level of difficulty, Mao just nots interested anymore.

[Gwenkatsu]

I think we all agree that challenging content for casuals to try that isn't extreme or savage is what the game really needs.

I respectfully disagree.
I am casual, and am not the slightest interested in any sort of challenging content. I have a very simple rule of thumb what to do in FF14, and what to ignore: if a blue quest sends me there, I go there once, just to see the place (as the mechanics in raids are usually counter intuitive and very unfun). No blue quest - I don't go there. So no idea if chaotic is hardcore, softcore, hicore, midcore, locore, or shmonzcore - I simply don't care.
Oh, and I'm enjoying the game anyway, since I do not need to worry about homogenization of jobs, 2 minute burst windows, and all the other stuff everybody here is up in arms all the time

[ACE135]

I'll clarify, and I felt it was important to specify that I dislike the content because I am defending its current state.

There are many people who enjoy the current Chaotic as it is. It is not fair to those people to change it, because it could turn it into something they may no longer enjoy. That is not fair to those players. It has nothing to do with self-worth in clearing, but about the fact you are changing something that people are currently enjoying into something that they may not.

And they nerfed Orbonne while there were many players who enjoyed it the way it was.

[MrJPtheAssassin]

Because it is midcore content. You can approach extreme/savage very casually and still clear while it's relevant. Ultimate is not midcore because it has gear requirements and requires a much higher degree of planning and coordination to clear.

If you're looking for duty finder-friendly content that can be beaten in one session by anyone who queues up, that's casual content.

Casual:
Dungeons, Trials, Normal Raids, Alliance Raids, Exploration Zones, Deep Dungeons, Variant Dungeons

Midcore:
Extreme, Unreal, Savage, Criterion, Chaotic

Hardcore:
Ultimate, Criterion (Savage)

There's some leeway here because a group could have a hardcore approach to savage and clear in the first few days, but generally speaking - this is the split of content in FFXIV.

Most of those I would agree with but Savage and Chaotic. I think Savage lends closer to Hardcore bc you still need a lot of time investment to clear the fights, especially in PF and the same goes for Chaotic. That said I don't think Chaotic sololy lands in either, I think it's somewhere in the middle of mid-core to hardcore. The main reason why I say this is because of how much time it actually takes to clear this fight in a pf setting. I have finally gotten around progging it and most of my time progging has been spent in waiting in parties than the actually fight. One hour of waiting for 24 ppl to join and then after 3 or 4 wipes ppl leave and then back to waiting again. Imo mid-core content is content that can be cleared in a pf in like an evening or two, that is why I think EXs are mid-core bc most ppl I feel can clear an EX in two or three days. Savage on the other hand can take a week or more and Chaotic is more or less the same. I don't know, I just personally don't see savage and Chaotic as purely mid-core content since you do need to study some and spend a decent amount of time progging in a PF setting.

[Collin_Sky]

And they nerfed Orbonne while there were many players who enjoyed it the way it was.

For what it's worth, I have issue with this also.

[CaedemSanguis]

Most of those I would agree with but Savage and Chaotic. I think Savage lends closer to Hardcore bc you still need a lot of time investment to clear the fights, especially in PF and the same goes for Chaotic. That said I don't think Chaotic sololy lands in either, I think it's somewhere in the middle of mid-core to hardcore. The main reason why I say this is because of how much time it actually takes to clear this fight in a pf setting. I have finally gotten around progging it and most of my time progging has been spent in waiting in parties than the actually fight. One hour of waiting for 24 ppl to join and then after 3 or 4 wipes ppl leave and then back to waiting again. Imo mid-core content is content that can be cleared in a pf in like an evening or two, that is why I think EXs are mid-core bc most ppl I feel can clear an EX in two or three days. Savage on the other hand can take a week or more and Chaotic is more or less the same. I don't know, I just personally don't see savage and Chaotic as purely mid-core content since you do need to study some and spend a decent amount of time progging in a PF setting.

"Most of those I would agree with but Savage and Chaotic. I think Savage lends closer to Hardcore bc you still need a lot of time investment to clear the fights"

have you ever done P1s ? E1s ? E5s ? P6s ? P11s ? It's really not that far from Sphene EX, even easier sometime

[Asari5]

chaotic is absolutely midcore. more player needed doesnt make it mechanically more difficult.
and no you dont nèed 24 flawless people for towers.

[Collin_Sky]

"Most of those I would agree with but Savage and Chaotic. I think Savage lends closer to Hardcore bc you still need a lot of time investment to clear the fights"

have you ever done P1s ? E1s ? E5s ? P6s ? P11s ? It's really not that far from Sphene EX, even easier sometime

Why ask a question you know the answer to? Of course they haven't.

[Eyrilona]

Congratulations, you have created at least five new and different definitions of midcore in this thread alone, and this isn't even one of the longer ones on the subject. You also seem to have driven everyone who wants content that is challenging but doesn't require practicing with a group off this forum, because they're barely participating in this anymore. It's hardcore raiders all around defining what is midcore here.

[Lilapop]

I call this tier "the average official forum poster"

Pot? Kettle.