Someone on reddit analysed how many main cast lines are in the game. Wuk Lamat is 3rd

[Xrono_Amber]

You can put the bat down.

Beatings shall continue untill writing improves \o/

CS3 already knows how people feel about the character and have discussed it.

Ah, yes, by somehow concluding "we should have made Wuk Lamat more capable and confident from the start" in one of the interviews as if THIS is the main problem people have with her.
By the way, when we'll get hat and hair support for vieras and hrothgars? Ah, right, we have no idea. So no, beatings will continue.

[NamiRocket]

So if we’re unhappy that ‘people are all talking about her’ shouldn’t be also be unhappy at how often they talk about us over other characters? Like, I’d say this has been a problem with their writing since the start.

I think a lot of people here like being the central focus of everything (in the game, I mean). Being the figure that saves the world from a life-ending calamity over and over again. Being praised for it. The whole deal.

I, personally, think just doing that over and over and over gets extremely stale, but extremely stale is apparently what some people want. I don't think Dawntrail's story is perfect. Actually, I have some major gripes with it, too. But I'm happy they tried something different, even if it wasn't always as successful as they'd probably have liked it to be. I adore Shadowbringers, but I don't want Shadowbringers over and over and over again.

[ViinaS]

Isn’t that in terms of ‘how much they speak’ and not ‘what they’re speaking about?’. Looks to me like Dawntrail literally just CTRL+F’d ‘Wol’ and replaced it with ‘Wuk Lamat’. Every expansion ‘WoL’ is mentioned around 240-260 times(except ARR where it’s mention a whole 610 times lol), then in Dawntrail ‘Wuk Lamat’ is mentioned around 260 times.
So if we’re unhappy that ‘people are all talking about her’ shouldn’t be also be unhappy at how often they talk about us over other characters? Like, I’d say this has been a problem with their writing since the start.

If the argument is ‘Wuk Lamat is too important’ or whatever then uh yeah, there’s quite a few threads about that already. We already know writers done an objectively awful job.
we also know Yoshi has specifically said she’s coming back for more development in future lol

Except that comparison just does not work.
We are the player character and NPCs adress us. That is just absolutely normal so that our name is used very often when MSQ and such adress us or tells us to do something.
If anything you'd have to compare one named NPC to another named NPC.
And nothing comes close.

Not to mention he only counted 'Wuk Lamat' not the synonyms with that 275 times (Third Promise, Lamatyi, Vow of Resolve).
So its even higher than that.

Meanwhile the only named NPCs whose name was said more often than Wuk Lamat (again, a character that has been around for 2 patches and 1 MSQ) in the entirety of FFXIV are Alisaie (barely) and Alphinaud.
Wuk lamat was mentioned more often in the entirety of FFXIV than Thancred, Y'shtola, Lyse, Minfilia, G'raha Tia and any other NPC there is.

[Xrono_Amber]

I think a lot of people here like being the central focus of everything (in the game, I mean). Being the figure that saves the world from a life-ending calamity over and over again. Being praised for it. The whole deal.

I heard some saying "well, we were mentor to Wuk Lamat and people didn't liked it, it's their ego-problem and not a story fault". What have we taught her?
It's not a rhetorical question, after going through history, I don't know what we taught her. I understand that a nod of our heads is enough to motivate anyone, but that's not mentoring.

[Rueby]

I think a lot of people here like being the central focus of everything (in the game, I mean). Being the figure that saves the world from a life-ending calamity over and over again. Being praised for it. The whole deal.

I, personally, think just doing that over and over and over gets extremely stale, but extremely stale is apparently what some people want. I don't think Dawntrail's story is perfect. Actually, I have some major gripes with it, too. But I'm happy they tried something different, even if it wasn't always as successful as they'd probably have liked it to be. I adore Shadowbringers, but I don't want Shadowbringers over and over and over again.

How about this thing called moderation? If she was likeable rather than incompetent/insufferable, maybe people may have liked her? I wanted to be with Erenville and Krile, rather than her. Her arc is extremely bland, we wasted time playing a contest that was rigged from the start.

From the first time she appeared, I had no interest in helping her. She's a trope I hate, but Lyse and Minfilia were also tropes I hated but none were that overbearing compared to Wuk. The entire time I wanted to get away from her. DT had solid ideas, themes of grief, rebirth, what makes someone themselves, but it all got squandered on her.

I'd rather have ShB a dozen times, at least Emet carried that expansion on his shoulders before he got downgraded into 'guys please don't unsub, look forward to the new stuff! but I want nothing to do with you btw'

[Exmo]

I think a lot of people here like being the central focus of everything (in the game, I mean). Being the figure that saves the world from a life-ending calamity over and over again. Being praised for it. The whole deal.

I, personally, think just doing that over and over and over gets extremely stale, but extremely stale is apparently what some people want. I don't think Dawntrail's story is perfect. Actually, I have some major gripes with it, too. But I'm happy they tried something different, even if it wasn't always as successful as they'd probably have liked it to be. I adore Shadowbringers, but I don't want Shadowbringers over and over and over again.

This is a very good point. I'm glad they tried something different even if it wasn't every players' cup of tea.

Regarding the stats at the point of this thread, it's all just a bit of fun. This sort of quantitative analysis isn't very useful as anything other than the start of a conversation. It's the old idea of "Moby Dick is about whales" - a silly conclusion one car arrive at by counting the most popular words. Some people will retroactively use this was a reason they don't like Wuk Lamat, but those people can't be helped. We shouldn't take this sort of analysis super seriously.

[Voidmage]

I'm just also not a whiny child who is still crying over a perfectly innocuous video game character half a year later.

You are litteraly whining about a thread being here that just has the same topic as can be found in another.
You calling others whining is peak irony tbh.
Are you honestly pretending to be some kind of more mature than OP while... doing this?

And honestly yes, the more the devs know that something is not good the better (and before anyone comes in with "subjective" a word count is pretty much not subjective at all).

We shouldn't take this sort of analysis super seriously.

Why not?
It shows with numbers that one character had pretty much overexposure in an Expansion. Why isn't that allowed to be taken seriously?

[Exmo]

Word count indicates nothing more than the count of words. There's no relationship between that and quality. Subjective analysis follows from interpretation.

[NamiRocket]

You are litteraly whining about a thread being here that just has the same topic as can be found in another.

Please tell me you spell it like that, because you're a cat.

Word count indicates nothing more than the count of words. There's no relationship between that and quality. Subjective analysis follows from interpretation.

This is far too logical a take for a place that's this devoid of logic.

[Kranel_San]

All credit goes to u/turn_a_blind_eye/Rise Narukami and u/eriyu.

Like the title said, someone posted on the XIV subreddit some very cool and interesting graphs, I do not know if I can post links in this forum or not, if I can, I will edit with a link to it.
Top 3 characters with the most lines from 2.0 to 7.1 in total:
1. Alphinaud at 93,649, 7.1%.
2 Alisae at 48,404, 4.3%.
3 Wuk Lamat 39,134 4.2%. In one expansion.

Wuk Lamat is *BARELY* behind Alisae, a character that has been with us since the very first cutscene, since the start of the game.

And with those 39,134 lines, she has basically said the same things every single time, never anything new. She is genuinely the most forced, uninteresting, bland character in the game. How is a character that has been here for only ONE expansion, and not even a full one at that, have almost more lines than Alisae? Why force her so bad?

I'd like to add that according to the Reddit post comments. The term 'lines' refer to every dialogue in-game. Including Main quests, side quests, seasonal quests, NPCs dialogues, etc.... and not just the MSQ dialogue only, which I believe makes this even more disastrous.