Maybe it's time for a casual "strike" if not complete departure.

[Supersnow845]

Are we really at the point of trying to pretend like it’s hardcore players telling the casuals “if you don’t have enough to do then take a break” and not the square enix white knights.

This is the problem i noticed with the other comment. A particular subset of casuals on the forums have become so jaded with the imbalance of content they have just randomly started inventing “mean hardcore players” to dump their problems on

No hardcore player is completely ignoring the roulettes, they may choose to interact with them less because they get sick of them but that’s not a phenomenon unique to hardcore players. Plenty of casual players do that as well,

Nobody is dictating that all content must be hardcore and casuals only get the hand me down scraps. Literally everyone agrees casual content in this game is lacking at the moment and most hardcore players I know are salivating for a field content zone because nothing but hardcore content burns you out. The hairstyle discussion came from the fact that people both didn’t want to do CAR (fair) but ALSO didn’t want to pay for something they want but still felt like they deserved it. Should it have never been in CAR; arguably yes but that’s not the problem that was being discussed

This is what I’m saying square is the problem. They won’t release enough content, it’s NOT the hardcore playerbase holding you down. Making up random arguments nobody has ever argued from a theoretical “hardcore player” to get angry about helps nobody because SQUARE is the problem here

I also have no idea where that rant about deep dungeons came from, deep dungeons aren’t remotely hardcore content, it’s irrelevant to my point anyway

[Mawlzy]

Are we really at the point of trying to pretend like it’s hardcore players telling the casuals “if you don’t have enough to do then take a break” and not the square enix white knights.

This is the problem i noticed with the other comment. A particular subset of casuals on the forums have become so jaded with the imbalance of content they have just randomly started inventing “mean hardcore players” to dump their problems on

No hardcore player is completely ignoring the roulettes, they may choose to interact with them less because they get sick of them but that’s not a phenomenon unique to hardcore players. Plenty of casual players do that as well,

Nobody is dictating that all content must be hardcore and casuals only get the hand me down scraps. Literally everyone agrees casual content in this game is lacking at the moment and most hardcore players I know are salivating for a field content zone because nothing but hardcore content burns you out. The hairstyle discussion came from the fact that people both didn’t want to do CAR (fair) but ALSO didn’t want to pay for something they want but still felt like they deserved it. Should it have never been in CAR; arguably yes but that’s not the problem that was being discussed

This is what I’m saying square is the problem. They won’t release enough content, it’s NOT the hardcore playerbase holding you down. Making up random arguments nobody has ever argued from a theoretical “hardcore player” to get angry about helps nobody because SQUARE is the problem here

I also have no idea where that rant about deep dungeons came from, deep dungeons aren’t remotely hardcore content, it’s irrelevant to my point anyway

No, hardcore players are not telling casual players to take a break, they're telling them to do savage.

That said, I agree with you that we should be turning our ire on SE and not each other. In addition to the lack of content, SE's deployment of CAR has been a completely avoidable fiasco that has produced conflict and elevated frustration amongst the players.

[Gurgeh]

No we are just having a seperate, I won't call this an argument this is a row now, about the 'principal' (nothing to do with the game), of being told your making shit up when your are not.

It's a separate and true point that it's only Square Enix that can fix this by not doing stupid things like Chaotic at the worst possible time.

I'm at the point where I now think the unthinkable is thinkable, and they should just pull it.
And bring it back redesigned as the entry level extreme difficulty that it always should have been. Ohhh...
Oh and for the love of if you haven't already start awarding Cap tomes for prog... or how else is everyone who starts ever going to get their rewards off you can't keep people doing it AFTER their rewards.
This is just basic secondary school maths and problem solving.
Just pull Chaotic.

[Evergrey]

...Except nobody is saying hardcore players can't have harder content

I'm at the point where I now think the unthinkable is thinkable, and they should just pull it.
And bring it back redesigned as the entry level extreme difficulty that it always should have been. Ohhh...
Oh and for the love of if you haven't already start awarding Cap tomes for prog... or how else is everyone who starts ever going to get their rewards off you can't keep people doing it AFTER their rewards.
This is just basic secondary school maths and problem solving.
Just pull Chaotic.

Correct me if I'm wrong..
But doesn't this sound like something along the lines that they want to "take away" harder content?
Make it easier by lowering the difficulty of it.

Seeing how there has been people saying that they enjoy Chaotic.
Wouldn't it be the same as taking away content from those who do enjoy it as it is now, like hardcore players perhaps?

[Supersnow845]

they're told to "shut up and quit then, more for us".

Again literally nobody has ever said that to casual players saying 7.x doesn’t have enough casual content

[CVXIV]

I still don't know why you're talking about the toxic players in chaotic or even the Dawntrail MSQ really when you're in stormblood still by your admission

[Gurgeh]

Correct me if I'm wrong..
But doesn't this sound like something along the lines that they want to "take away" harder content?
Make it easier by lowering the difficulty of it.

Seeing how there has been people saying that they enjoy Chaotic.
Wouldn't it be the same as taking away content from those who do enjoy it as it is now, like hardcore players perhaps?

F me. Yes. Because we've finally run out of patience. I know three people (they some Ex but not a lot) who re-subbed and then basically never logged in, once Xmas revealed what Chaotic really was. More savage.

Casuals are robbed of an MSQ. (DT was the equivalent of reskinning Jade Stoa , turning up the damage dealt and the DPS check, and calling it the next 'ultimate'. I think that is no exaggeration.)
We miss out on a Bozja last expansion (fair enough, COVID)
The alliance is actually not very popular.

Then we see savage. (Fair enough)
Then we see ultimate (fair enough)
Then we 'savage' Chaotic (well your taking the piss now)
It should NEVER have been high ends savage, it should have been casuals entry level Extreme.
Casual had been robbed, we are just taking back what should have been ours in the first place.

Instead we just got VoidArk 2.0 with out the interesting agro table nonsense.
Jeuni even 'looked' boring compared to void ark.
It's not even a interesting as LoA. It's like they went back in time.

[Supersnow845]

F me. Yes. Because we've finally run out of patience. I know three people (they some Ex but not a lot) who re-subbed and then basically never logged in, once Xmas revealed what Chaotic really was. More savage.

Casuals are robbed of an MSQ. (DT was the equivalent of reskinning Jade Stoa , turning up the damage dealt and the DPS check, and calling it the next 'ultimate'. I think that is no exaggeration.)
We miss out on a Bozja last expansion (fair enough, COVID)
The alliance is actually not very popular.

Then we see savage. (Fair enough)
Then we see ultimate (fair enough)
Then we 'savage' Chaotic (well your taking the piss now)
It should NEVER have been high ends savage, it should have been casuals entry level Extreme.
Casual had been robbed, we are just taking back what should have been ours in the first place.

Instead we just got VoidArk 2.0 with out the interesting agro table nonsense.

We all lost the good MSQ and the lack of a field content zone. Don’t phrase it like this is a casual exclusive problem as it’s unnecessarily divisive when people here seem to think it’s the hardcore playerbases fault there isn’t much content for casuals because of arguments they dreamed up in their heads

And by your own logic how difficult do you want CAR? I’m not saying CAR’s difficulty is correct or anything but your opinion very much reads like “it should be the difficulty I want”, if they made it right to your difficulty specifications people who are just a little bit worse than you are still in the situation that you are currently in now. The problem is the lack of content and the back ending of expansion banner content, not the difficulty of CAR

[Gurgeh]

We all lost the good MSQ and the lack of a field content zone. Don’t phrase it like this is a casual exclusive problem as it’s unnecessarily divisive when people here seem to think it’s the hardcore playerbases fault there isn’t much content for casuals because of arguments they dreamed up in their heads

And by your own logic how difficult do you want CAR? I’m not saying CAR’s difficulty is correct or anything but your opinion very much reads like “it should be the difficulty I want”, if they made it right to your difficulty specifications people who are just a little bit worse than you are still in the situation that you are currently in now. The problem is the lack of content and the back ending of expansion banner content, not the difficulty of CAR

Can people not do... Intuitive maths even...

Let's award points.
1 point for MSQ
1 point for the MSQ battles (only one because after that it's back to running sastasha and Garuda hard in the rouls.)
1 point normal raid
1 for the Exs
0.5 points for 1 alliance.
1 for savage
1 for ultimate
1 for chaotic

I'm ignoring non battle content except for the MSQ, but let's face it the role quests were at best a 0 also.


Now let's adjust for what was delivered.

So now MSQ gets a -1 frankly because it wasn't just bad it was offensively, no effort bad.
Jeuno gets a 0.25 , because it just wasn't the best.

So,
Ultimate raiders collect 5.25
Savage raiders collect 4.25
Extreme players collect 3.25
Non Extreme players collect 2.25

And god help you if you still find normals and alliance intimidating. (Let's hope those new beast tribes are able to make Game of Thrones look like Dora the Explorer.)

Please tell me you Fing get it now?

[Supersnow845]

Can people not do... Intuitive maths even...

Let's award points.
1 point for MSQ
1 point for the MSQ battles (only one because after that it's back to running sastasha and Garuda hard in the rouls.)
1 point normal raid
1 for the Exs
0.5 points for 1 alliance.
1 for savage
1 for ultimate
1 for chaotic

I'm ignoring non battle content except for the MSQ, but let's face it the role quests were at best a 0 also.


Now let's adjust for what was delivered.

So now MSQ gets a -1 frankly because it wasn't just bad it was offensively, no effort bad.
Jeuno gets a 0.25 , because it just wasn't the best.

So,
Ultimate raiders collect 4.25
Savage raiders collect 3.25
Extreme players collect 2.25
Non Extreme players collect 1.25

And god help you if you still find normals and alliance intimidating. (Let's hope those new beast tribes are able to make Game of Thrones look like Dora the Explorer.)

Please tell me you Fing get it now?

So let’s follow your weird logic

Let’s drop chaotic difficulty down to where you would be happy doing chaotic

So now your score goes to a 2.25/3.25 and anyone below you is still at a 1.25/2.25

PROBLEM SOLVED EVERYONE