Job Quests NEED to be Mandatory.

[Supersnow845]

Making the job stone mandatory is not the magic bullet you imagine it to be
The issue is handled by education and the community, as it has been now, and can be improved on in that manner rather than restricting gameplay

If you missed your job stone because you weren't aware of it despite everyone else around you being a different job, someone will tell you
If were aware and don't want it, that is your choice. It is not always done maliciously

What's next? Making a mandatory stone-sky-sea before you can queue dungeons because the level 30 bard who spams single-target in triple pulls is doing less damage than the archer with Quick Nock?
Or are you satisfied now because you see a different icon next to their name?

Oh woe is me what is the community going to ask for next, basic understanding of a job? But how then will people like me throwing shit at a wall to reach level 50 on my 7th housing alt do?

[cutestfox]

Oh woe is me what is the community going to ask for next, basic understanding of a job? But how then will people like me throwing shit at a wall to reach level 50 on my 7th housing alt do?

Yes precisely. Stop removing systems and educate instead
Begging SE to remove systems from the game, babysit people harder and dumb it down even more instead of build upon is an atrocity

Instead, do something positive like add and improve upon what we have. Add a tutorial menu pop up at 30, let there be a 5 or 10% exp earring anyone can have that goes up until level 50 that everyone would love to have
Make it better. Don't remove it

[Ascended_Demon]

Yes precisely. Stop removing systems and educate instead
Begging SE to remove systems from the game, babysit people harder and dumb it down even more instead of build upon is an atrocity

Instead, do something positive like add and improve upon what we have. Add a tutorial menu pop up at 30, let there be a 5 or 10% exp earring anyone can have that goes up until level 50 that everyone would love to have
Make it better. Don't remove it

So you want people, to tell people like yourself to do better (when you seem to be refusing to do so) instead of the game forcing you do so? Sorry, but at some point you don't get to expect people to hold your hand and tell you "you're doing fine sweetie" when you refuse to have any sort of desire to do better yourself. It's one thing when you have trouble, and thank people for their patience, but when you don't care a bit about it and continue to do it because it's allowed? No, you shouldn't expect people's understanding and for them to hold your hand like you don't know any better. What you're getting is push back because people are telling you your behavior is deplorable.

[cutestfox]

So you want people, to tell people like yourself to do better (when you seem to be refusing to do so) instead of the game forcing you do so? Sorry, but at some point you don't get to expect people to hold your hand and tell you "you're doing fine sweetie" when you refuse to have any sort of desire to do better yourself. It's one thing when you have trouble, and thank people for their patience, but when you don't care a bit about it and continue to do it because it's allowed? No, you shouldn't expect people's understanding and for them to hold your hand like you don't know any better. What you're getting is push back because people are telling you your behavior is deplorable.

That's not what I said. The point people are bringing up is that the job stone should be mandatory so people don't miss it and inadvertently nerf themselves
My response to that is to improve the system so that it isn't missed

Those that know and have reason to avoid it can continue to do so. And if not, then make it even better and make it worthwhile

[Ascended_Demon]

That's not what I said. The point people are bringing up is that the job stone should be mandatory so people don't miss it and inadvertently nerf themselves
My response to that is to improve the system so that it isn't missed

Those that know and have reason to avoid it can continue to do so. And if not, then make it even better and make it worthwhile

Except, you have no reason to avoid it. You want the game to continue to enable poor decision making for whatever inane reason rather than the game itself expecting and forcing you to do better? And for what reason do you support this? So you don't waste time? Sorry but you're already wasting time by choosing not to. You are, in essence, causing your dungeon runs to go longer but I'll admit this is not an easily measured metric. But what you are doing is willingly inflicting your choice on other people and quite a few people have voiced their distaste for this already, and somehow that is not enough.

[cutestfox]

Except, you have no reason to avoid it. You want the game to continue to enable poor decision making for whatever inane reason rather than the game itself expecting and forcing you to do better? And for what reason do you support this? So you don't waste time? Sorry but you're already wasting time by choosing not to. You are, in essence, causing your dungeon runs to go longer but I'll admit this is not an easily measured metric. But what you are doing is willingly inflicting your choice on other people and quite a few people have voiced their distaste for this already, and somehow that is not enough.

Why do you keep jumping to the conclusion that dutyfinder with 3 randoms is the only option?
I play with my friends. Why shouldn't we be able to do this anymore?
And barring that, duty support exists to play the dungeons with the npcs. And being unsync (or sync blu) carried with friends

[Ascended_Demon]

Why do you keep jumping to the conclusion that dutyfinder with 3 randoms is the only option?
I play with my friends. Why shouldn't we be able to do this anymore?
And barring that, duty support exists to play the dungeons with the npcs. And being unsync (or sync blu) carried with friends

Ah I see what this is. Sorry, but you are still refusing to address that you have no reason to avoid getting your job stone/skills. You can play with friends all you want but that doesn't change the fact they have to deal with your "choice". You should consider yourself lucky you have friends willing to take you along, because if you haven't noticed there are plenty of people who wouldn't. Enjoy your content.

[Supersnow845]

Yes precisely. Stop removing systems and educate instead
Begging SE to remove systems from the game, babysit people harder and dumb it down even more instead of build upon is an atrocity

Instead, do something positive like add and improve upon what we have. Add a tutorial menu pop up at 30, let there be a 5 or 10% exp earring anyone can have that goes up until level 50 that everyone would love to have
Make it better. Don't remove it

“Tell people to do better not change the system”

(Also ignore the fact that if you got me doing this in a roulette telling me to do better would fall on deaf ears because I’m intentionally griefing to speedrun housing alts)

Stellar Logic you got there

[cutestfox]

“Tell people to do better not change the system”

(Also ignore the fact that if you got me doing this in a roulette telling me to do better would fall on deaf ears because I’m intentionally griefing to speedrun housing alts)

Stellar Logic you got there

I have already explained my play case and you have glossed over it in order to spew this made-up argument. You literally posted nothing.
"Stellar Logic" yourself

[Supersnow845]

I have already explained my play case and you have glossed over it in order to spew this made-up argument. You literally posted nothing.
"Stellar Logic" yourself

And the comment I literally replied to is you suggesting to educate people not to remove the system. The idea that “we wouldn’t have this problem if you got non job stone users and simply explained to them why it’s wrong”. That idea is literally in your reply; educate don’t coddle by deleting the system

However if I got you in a roulette you don’t need to be “educated” you are just manipulating the system; ie you want to be playing without a job stone.

How am I supposed to know that you don’t want or need to be educated because you already know you are intentionally doing something you shouldn’t be doing. Why do you expect anyone else not playing with a job stone is actually confused not just someone using the system like you

Your entire “logic” boils down to “leave me to do my thing that gets in the way of others all other situations that this comes up it’s your responsibility to police the person” which is just the worst of literally every world