Job Quests NEED to be Mandatory.

[Mr_Gyactus]

I've been playing FFXIV for around 4 years now, and I recall this being an issue while I was still a sprout where people during ARR/even late ARR would not have Job/Soul Crystals equipped, including me briefly. I didn't even know what it was until luckily in Tam-Tara Deepcroft(i was level 32 at the time synced ofc), a player was nice enough to explain to me. I was playing DPS, so it wasn't to detrimental to the party luckily.

Sorry for being kinda rambly about it but I figured I'd just give some examples to try to get my point across. I can see how this can be huge hinderance for people just trying to get their dailies done and can honestly ruin the experience for questing or going through MSQ. I remember as a sprout thinking the game was genuinely hard at times when in reality it's because Job Quests are ultimately "optional" since the game doesn't actually force you to do them. It's honestly miserable having to play through a duty when a tank/healer is missing half of their abilities and stats at their level, and it taking for ever if the "culprit" is a DPS.

The soul gives +5% HP and 2-3% raw stats at low level, less than 1% at 100.
"everything matters", but 5 points of item level give you more.
To make this clear, as a conjurer I can heal through every not-high-endgame content (cure II and medica I-II are enough).
What makes the difference is the equipment, the use of materia and food.

[NamiRocket]

The soul gives +5% HP and 2-3% raw stats at low level, less than 1% at 100.
"everything matters", but 5 points of item level give you more.
To make this clear, as a conjurer I can heal through every not-high-endgame content (cure II and medica I-II are enough).
What makes the difference is the equipment, the use of materia and food.

I swear, some of you will argue just to argue. Doesn't matter if it makes sense.

[Mr_Gyactus]

I swear, some of you will argue just to argue. Doesn't matter if it makes sense.

I swear, you argue just for the post counter.

The OP blamed the soul crystal for some heavy handicap, and for that handicap he was not able to do his job properly.
To be crystalline clear: NO, that kind of problem is a matter of equipment, his equip or the tank.

BTW Yoshida already has already spoken about the idea of ​​standardizing jobs making them work like the expansion ones, but it's more of a cleanliness thing than a necessity because "people forget to do ARR job quests".

As the fox from kung fu panda 4 says: fight for the right things for the wrong reasons.

[BigCheez]

I swear, you argue just for the post counter.

The OP blamed the soul crystal for some heavy handicap, and for that handicap he was not able to do his job properly.
To be crystalline clear: NO, that kind of problem is a matter of equipment, his equip or the tank.

BTW Yoshida already has already spoken about the idea of ​​standardizing jobs making them work like the expansion ones, but it's more of a cleanliness thing than a necessity because "people forget to do ARR job quests".

As the fox from kung fu panda 4 says: fight for the right things for the wrong reasons.

Bro's really out here quoting Kung Fu Panda in defence of griefing.

You're missing half your kit. Put your job stone on. It really ain't that deep.

[Mr_Gyactus]

Bro's really out here quoting Kung Fu Panda in defence of griefing.

You're missing half your kit. Put your job stone on. It really ain't that deep.

bro really don't know how abilities are given.

Open you abilities tab, look the level of abilities and tell us what you got and miss at <50 because we are talking about an ARR dungeon.
it's not that deep.

Didn’t they say they were looking into decoupling classes and jobs at some point anyway? So it might not even be possible to ignore job stones/quests if they succeed lol.
Then again, they say they’re going to do a lot of things that never actually happen lol

After all the jobs in HW - SB - ShB - EW - DT ? I find -difficult- to implement new jobs in that way. It' simpler if SE get rid of the SC and add 7 job quests for the SCH.

I don't think the average player wants to level a class he does not care from 1 because they added an interesting job.
I'm not even sure I will play the limited job for that reason, does it start from level 1 right?

[BigCheez]

bro really don't know how abilities are given.

Open you abilities tab, look the level of abilities and tell us what you got and miss at <50 because we are talking about an ARR dungeon.
it's not that deep.

Are we talking about ARR dungeons? I've seen people in level 90+ content without job stones.

They really need to just prevent classes from queuing into anything above level 30. There's no reason not to have job stones be mandatory beyond 30.

[Mr_Gyactus]

Are we talking about ARR dungeons? I've seen people in level 90+ content without job stones.

They really need to just prevent classes from queuing into anything above level 30. There's no reason not to have job stones be mandatory beyond 30.

Yes we are. We are because the OP is talking about Stone Vigil and DD.

edit. making every job quest until ... 70 (if I remember correctly) mandatory is a pain.
It's much simpler to remove the soul crystals from the game and give the abilities automatically.

[Lilapop]

I swear, some of you will argue just to argue. Doesn't matter if it makes sense.

My head? Back into my hands. How can you always have so much to say without really saying anything?

[NamiRocket]

I swear, some of you will argue just to argue. Doesn't matter if it makes sense.

My head? Back into my hands. How can you always have so much to say without really saying anything?

Case in point.

[Merp0fc]

My main point was more so focused on the fact that I didn't have Lustrate in a level 44 dungeon from my level 45 job quest.. even under geared, it would've been leagues easier with Lustrate. I also said MULTIPLE times that there WERE gearing issues. It's not about the stats, It's about the abilities that are tied to doing your job quests. Staying "up to gear" while playing through msq is honestly a pain if you don't have enough gil to throw at the market board or are a sprout that doesn't know of resources to like Universalis.

The point of the thread was to start a discussion on better solutions to the issue instead of arguing over stats. ARR's gearing system is just bad, whilst leveling (since iL at level 50 can literally BE iL 50-130ish and most sprouts don't know about tome gear yet)
but the gearing issue can be worked around with small pulls as long as one has all of their abilities. Just because YOU CAN do a dungeon without your job crystal doesn't mean you SHOULD. It's not about the stat increase it's about having the extra heals, mitigations, or even DPS abilities. There's too many factors to argue about this class, level, here or there or whatever.

While most of it is a gearing issue, there's no reason you shouldn't HAVE to have access to all of your abilities at that level, as they're literally integral to your class.