Maybe it's time for a casual "strike" if not complete departure.

[TheMightyMollusk]

The "filthy casual" thing has been around a lot longer than WoW.

[NamiRocket]

The "filthy casual" mindset is a bleed over of toxicity from WoW refugees. Just blacklist them and move on.

We're still unironically using the phrase "WoW refugee" in the year of our lord 2025?

[BigCheez]

We're still unironically using the phrase "WoW refugee" in the year of our lord 2025?

Especially funny given that anyone and everyone who plays both WoW and FFXIV is playing WoW these days because the game is in a much better state than FFXIV is.

Anyone who thinks that any of the current problems in FFXIV can be traced back to WoW players is out of touch. There are probably more FFXIV refugees playing WoW than the other way around.

[NamiRocket]

Especially funny given that anyone and everyone who plays both WoW and FFXIV is playing WoW these days because the game is in a much better state than FFXIV is.

Anyone who thinks that any of the current problems in FFXIV can be traced back to WoW players is out of touch. There are probably more FFXIV refugees playing WoW than the other way around.

Count me among them. The War Within has, thus far, been a very enjoyable expansion. And, while I'm not anywhere near as down on Dawntrail as some people are, there just isn't a lot there to do right now.

I'm very much looking forward to the field operations patch. I hope I enjoy it as much as I enjoyed Eureka.

[Mawlzy]

Thank goodness, I'm tired of getting 20+ minute dungeon runs or having to rez the same person 20 times in a single fight.

You poor thing, that must be exhausting. Have some nice 30+ minute Q-times to relax.

[Capstone]

Another one? Awesome.

[IceEyes]

That doesn't justify the attitude and actions of said hardcore players.

And did you expect some kind of community solidarity?

Well, it already exists. People didn't like Picto, they all criticized him en masse. People didn't like Dawntrail, they criticized it everywhere. They criticized the new hairstyle - curls. And hardcore players, and casuals, and midcore category of players.
Now hardcore players get a bit more content for them, but casual players making so big drama, so that feeling like thats most important aspect of this game.

But, truth in that, making content like CAR or ultimates \ savages most easist thing, that why that getting more regular updates.
That a bit "harder" to make new Bozja \ Eureka \ intersting relic progress then making few arenas with mechanics what we can see in every second-third dungeon.

In some ways I understand the gloating of hardcore players, but most of them write with irony and sarcasm, without malicious intent.
I totally agree that there is a lack of "casual content", although in my opinion game need more fun and engaging content rather than casual content.

[sindriiisgaming]

The "filthy casual" mindset is a bleed over of toxicity from WoW refugees. Just blacklist them and move on.

I do wish GMs would act on it more too. YoshiP is so against this but it feels like lately its the way this game is going

[Mawlzy]

I do wish GMs would act on it more too. YoshiP is so against this but it feels like lately its the way this game is going

He's enabling and encouraging it through choices about game direction.

Y "We wanted to match Extreme difficulty at first... but I would say the mechanics themselves are like the first floor of savage, but when you consider doing it as 24 people, it might bump up to the level of a second savage floor" [laughs]

Unofficial translation of the Nov 1st Live Letter. Mentioned while showing off the mounts on stream.

Literally laughing in the face of casual players and egging on hardcore raiders.

[NegativeS]

The "filthy casual" mindset is a bleed over of toxicity from WoW refugees. Just blacklist them and move on.

I'm a casual who left WoW for a number of reasons, chief among them being that the game took a pretty stark shift 5 or 6 expansions ago to 'treadmill or die', and everything surrounding that was basically boiled down into something resembling a mobile game. Kinda why the focus on raiders in FFXIV leaves a bad taste in my mouth--I play MMOs to relax, if I wanted to grind down my frontal lobe on the 1 grit sandpaper of a progression treadmill, I'd go play competitive Valorant or something equally miserable.

The MMO genre in general is dying, and it's probably one of the saddest rise and fall stories of the Information Age. We probably won't get something like it again until NerveGear becomes a thing.

We're still unironically using the phrase "WoW refugee" in the year of our lord 2025?

I feel like it's still a good term for anyone who left WoW sometime in the 2019-2021 period.

Especially funny given that anyone and everyone who plays both WoW and FFXIV is playing WoW these days because the game is in a much better state than FFXIV is.