Why do casual players seem entitled to cosmetic items added in game?

[CVXIV]

I personally think locking customization mechanics (like dying armor) and now customization options behind harder content shouldn't happen and is kind of short-sighted on the devs part. Imo, folks who do the harder content should be demanding better rewards anyway.

Yeah, sure, the price is dropping right now, but it's gonna be ridiculous in like a year when no one does the content anymore. It's going to be hard for newer players to get it. It's just going to be another Memoria EX type of situation. You can occasionally find a group to do it nowadays, but it's not exactly easy. There's really not a lot of reasons to do the content.

CBU3 has been in this weird mindset for a while now where they prioritize on getting people to do the content now with one-time rewards without any regard to how that plays out long term.

at what point does it end, though?
The chaotic alliance raid drops entirely new armor sets. Does that not fall under customization?

I don't see what other rewards they can use to entice players into doing this sort of content. If the fight offered nothing whatsoever, what would be the point to run it anymore than one time just to say you tried it and/or completed it

of course that's an extreme example, and people could mention minions/mounts/etc. but you could argue that also falls under customization but I know what you're getting at

I do wonder if at some point this will be something you can unsync, and if that question has been answered anywhere because if it can then at least at some point it'll be something people will grind, like Memoria Misera EX (especially because you can Duo it)

[sindriiisgaming]

How can you ever incentivise content if all items need to be immediately obtainable by everyone because they pay the entry sub

Does my sub entitle me to an FRU weapon because that SGE weapon do be looking pretty nice

i am gona be real i dont see people who are sprouts running around demanding ultimate weapons because they respect that those weapons are for hardcore raiders. but why hardcore raiders should be the ones who get access to character customization like hairstyles or makeup is not going to go well with the player who cares the most about it, the casual limsa go-er the reason ppl are mad about the mount and hairstyle is because its the kind of thing targeted directly at them yet its not even for them because they dont have a group that can facilitate them climbing the ladder of progression

[Supersnow845]

at what point does it end, though?
The chaotic alliance raid drops entirely new armor sets. Does that not fall under customization?

I don't see what other rewards they can use to entice players into doing this sort of content. If the fight offered nothing whatsoever, what would be the point to run it anymore than one time just to say you tried it and/or completed it

of course that's an extreme example, and people could mention minions/mounts/etc. but you could argue that also falls under customization but I know what you're getting at

I do wonder if at some point this will be something you can unsync, and if that question has been answered anywhere because if it can then at least at some point it'll be something people will grind, like Memoria Misera EX (especially because you can Duo it)

i am gona be real i dont see people who are sprouts running around demanding ultimate weapons because they respect that those weapons are for hardcore raiders. but why hardcore raiders should be the ones who get access to character customization like hairstyles or makeup is not going to go well with the player who cares the most about it, the casual limsa go-er the reason ppl are mad about the mount and hairstyle is because its the kind of thing targeted directly at them yet its not even for them because they dont have a group that can facilitate them climbing the ladder of progression

What content then is “allowed” to be used to incentivise hardcore content

Because we had this same song and dance with the P12S mount

[CVXIV]

What content then is “allowed” to be used to incentivise hardcore content

Because we had this same song and dance with the P12S mount

That's the Axolotl, isn't it? I remember that being a big thing people complained about lmao
and I'm not sure because a lot of things can be viewed as customization, because the mounts more or less all function the same it just depends on the player's flavor

I'd love to own the Axolotl personally, it's my favorite animal but I never cared that it was unlocked via savage because I knew that one day if I really wanted it I'd just have to do that fight whether it be unsyncing it doing it for real

To be clear, I agree with you lol

[sindriiisgaming]

What content then is “allowed” to be used to incentivise hardcore content

Because we had this same song and dance with the P12S mount

well the devs have no excuse to be tone-deaf to the players at this point... they KNOW that they want more RP stuff like customization. and they KNOW raiders want to do more damage. so imo that should be the divide. raids should reward raiding stuff and there needs to be a steady flowing stream of "casual stuff" to keep the simpler player subbed. i miss the days when i was the weird one for raiding. now im the weird one for glamming

[Supersnow845]

well the devs have no excuse to be tone-deaf to the players at this point... they KNOW that they want more RP stuff like customization. and they KNOW raiders want to do more damage. so imo that should be the divide. raids should reward raiding stuff and there needs to be a steady flowing stream of "casual stuff" to keep the simpler player subbed. i miss the days when i was the weird one for raiding. now im the weird one for glamming

Okay then that circles back to the original problem. What’s “casual” enough for you, and is that casual enough for the majority of players.

For example is juneo easy enough? There are multiple threads on here implying that it isn’t. What about the hair from DRN, DRN isn’t that hard but people complained it’s too deep in Bozja and it had a low drop rate. What about the fruit glider fate mount. People complained it’s too long of a grind to achieve

So where is the sweet spot that allows everyone to get everything THEY want based on how long THEY play and what content THEY do. We can’t put every released reward ever in dungeons

[Gurgeh]

What content then is “allowed” to be used to incentivise hardcore content

Because we had this same song and dance with the P12S mount

It's sooo easy? What works for savage without pissing off the casual base? What works for ultimate without pissing off casual?
iLvl. Stats
Shiny Weapon
Mount

They should have offered an undyable version of an existing glam, but a higher iLvl. 740 or something. I can hear it now "oh but we cant do that because then they won't buy/grind the gear in the coming blah blah content"
Yeah well, what do you expect when you offer content to a part of your player base that is already spoilt for content and it's rewards.
They don't want mounts or weapons because savage and ultimate?
Yeah well, what do you expect when you offer content to a part of your player base that is already spoilt for content and it's rewards.

Most of us on the excluded side of this content. (Excluded because we feel we will never clear it, the people playing it don't want us trying, certainly not in their party, is just because it's no fun dealing with PF "get business done or abandon" culture, we think this content PATENTLY SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN MADE. It should have dismissed in 30 seconds at the water cooler.

You know, if they'd offered me a chance at an ultimate level shiny Weapon (I don't even 'hope' that ultimate is achievable for me) this Extreme clearer (not farmer) really really might have kept trying, seen if PF farming got better. About 10 clears is ALL you are going to get me to attempt.

This 75, 99 business? No F way. Because I've got to put all that effort it to clear once and get nothing for it yet? Then try Farm PFs and find I hate even the 1st reclear and PF farm culture.

I know, people are thinking, "well if you don't like the game???!!"
I mean "charge the game" I'm told in other forums "it's not a keep you playing game. It's a play other games game"
Make it 10 not 70. Make 20 not 99. And now I THINK you might find a lot of that "know your shit or FCK Off" mentality melting away.
This is really not the cutting edge of psychology.

[Supersnow845]

It's sooo easy? What works for savage without pissing off the casual base? What works for ultimate without pissing off casual?
iLvl. Stats
Shiny Weapon
Mount

They should have offered an undyable version of an existing glam, but a higher iLvl. 740 or something. I can hear it now "oh but we cant do that because then they won't buy/grind the gear in the coming blah blah content"
Yeah well, what do you expect when you offer content to a part of your player base that is already spoilt for content and it's rewards.
They don't want mounts or weapons because savage and ultimate?
Yeah well, what do you expect when you offer content to a part of your player base that is already spoilt for content and it's rewards.

Most of us on the excluded side of this content. (Excluded because we feel we will never clear it, the people playing it don't want us trying, certainly not in their party, is just because it's no fun dealing with PF "get business done or abandon" culture, we think this content PATENTLY SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN MADE. It should have dismissed in 30 seconds at the water cooler.

You know, if they'd offered me a chance at an ultimate level shiny Weapon (I don't even 'hope' that ultimate is achievable for me) this Extreme clearer (not farmer) really really might have kept trying, seen if PF farming got better. About 10 clears is ALL you are going to get me to attempt.

This 75, 99 business? No F way. Because I've got to put all that effort it to clear once and get nothing for it yet? Then try Farm PFs and find I hate even the 1st reclear and PF farm culture.

I know, people are thinking, "well if you don't like the game???!!"
I mean "charge the game" I'm told in other forums "it's not a keep you playing game. It's a play other games game"
Make it 10 not 70. Make 20 not 99. And now I THINK you might find a lot of that "know your shit or FCK Off" mentality melting away.
This is really not the cutting edge of psychology.

I mean that’s exactly the point I’m making. You say it’s so easy just offer x y and z but we have an example literally last expansion where z was offered for a savage raid and people complained about being locked out of it.

You can’t pander to everyone’s expectations of what THEY personally want based on what content THEY do and the time THEY are willing to invest

[Mawlzy]

What content then is “allowed” to be used to incentivise hardcore content

Because we had this same song and dance with the P12S mount

Why do those who enjoy hardcore content need incentives? I thought the point was to "beat the game." If success beating or enjoying the fight isn't reward enough in itself and these folks want to flex, give them a title. We could have a contest to come up with some suitable ones.

[Supersnow845]

Why do those who enjoy hardcore content need incentives? I thought the point was to "beat the game." If success beating or enjoying the fight isn't reward enough in itself and these folks want to flex, give them a title. We could have a contest to come up with some suitable ones.

You are basically asking “why are games as a universal concept the way they are”

Games use rewards to drive you towards a particular thing. Like would you be fine if you completed a long game spanning gathering quest in an open world RPG and your reward was a pat on the back. No you expect a reward