Please help me understand why/how Chaotic one last time? (because I'm done)

[Mortex]

I remember the comment about "it's like the first or second tier of savage" which, honestly, at the time sounded great because I think a lot of the playerbase is capable of doing content at that level (some exceptions like p10s lol). Still feels though that something failed in creating it.

Could be the stupid 24 man body check that gives you per dead person 1 vuln stack and dmg. No clue why you would make 6 tower that can dmg the party 24 times if you fail too fill them( cause the orbs for the tower do dmg and vuln per orb so 2 times if the 2 man tower isn’t soaked with 2 and only one time even if you don’t have 2 people). And also pf raid plan is kinda weird in Eu, like just copy seeds from US and all healer out from an and c so even if a healer dies you can recover and you don’t have the inside stuck after rezz problem.

[Jaltaer]

I don't know why I'm responding to this guy's bait thread, but...

I haven't stepped into the raid myself yet - so I'm not going to make any comments on its actual mechanics or their difficulty. In terms of design/presentation, though - it's a 24-man trial, just call it that... Alliance Raid implies things like adds (which can be done in an interesting way, look at Criterion, or even BA) and actual physical progression through zones, not "you zone in already on the platform in front of the only boss". OFC, the actual 8-man raids in the game used to be designed like ARs, too, but that's a whole different topic of discussion...

The only thing I really want to comment on, is people saying "I hoped this would be like/we'd get stuff around BA/DRS difficulty level" (which I agree with!), and getting replies like "well just wait until the new foray in 7.2".
Why does that particular level of content difficulty have to be restricted to forays?
It's totally fair for people to say "hey, this kind of content (BA/DRN/DRS) is fun - can we get more stuff like this without it being tied to a foray zone/progression?". Yes, we all know the foray is coming - but people want stuff to do without waiting over half a year out from the expansion release. Chaotic was a great opportunity to give something like that, but instead it ended being another Criterion. I'm not going to pout about it after the fact because they did warn us several times in advance "teehee we overtuned it", and it is what it is, but it definitely feels like another missed opportunity.

[Gurgeh]

It's that REALLY AI though?
Honestly I dont believe it is. Maybe a little help from AI, but a lot of human help along the way.
The song is that AI?! Maybe. But I could believe there are some really talented filkers decided they'd rather record than spend another afternoon waiting for Chaotic to disband.
Was this AI?

[TaleraRistain]

I don't think they were necessarily putting out gear that they flagged as Ultimate BiS (since that's really a community driven thing) but 730 gear that has different sub-stats that could be better BiS options for some classes, like healers. IIRC in some cases, they were using crafted in BiS. Having alternatives to get BiS gear options has been something commonly asked for, be it through something like this or making Criterion more attractive to do.

[Daralii]

I don't think they were necessarily putting out gear that they flagged as Ultimate BiS (since that's really a community driven thing) but 730 gear that has different sub-stats that could be better BiS options for some classes, like healers. IIRC in some cases, they were using crafted in BiS. Having alternatives to get BiS gear options has been something commonly asked for, be it through something like this or making Criterion more attractive to do.

The healer BiS was previously something around 722 because the actual savage gear had several pieces with nothing but dump stats. It'd be nice if they rebalanced things like piety relative to crit/dhit, but their previous attempts to do so have obviously failed to make it an attractive stat.