Why do casual players seem entitled to cosmetic items added in game?

[Menriq]

I took two weeks off work did nothing but play this game. Thats right I hadn't even reached my first EX byt the time savage was out.

Two weeks off, played nothing but the game, and hadn't gotten to EX by time savage was out? I gotta ask, were you RP walking everywhere? Because even then, savage came out 4 weeks after release. If you weren't ready by then, that is 100% on you.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

[...]Perhaps also because I still don't understand. How does a hunt train earn you gil? Whats it got to do with patch day? It just for gems to buy glams and thing? Some materials yes, but... I 've got no idea what to buy. I tried selling mats from Fats in DT whith spare gems. I gotta say, I didn't earn me much[...]

A lot to go through here, but I'll try answering in order:

1. Hunt train rewards you clusters, hunt nut, poetic, capstone tome, and limited tome.
2. Clusters are for current tier combat materia.
3. Hunt Nut can translate into past tome gears, meaning they can be traded into Company Seals. Alternatively they can also yield current tier combat materias.
4. Poetic is similar to nuts, except you can't pick up current tier materias.
5. Capstone tome can yield either current tier crafted gear mats or more gears, which are also tradeable into Company Seals.
6. Limited tome is... well, timegated. Not much can be done on-patch, but they will have use in next even numbered patches when they eventually become the next capstone tome.

Okay, so we've established what these currencies can be translated into. Now what to do with these? You have several options here:

• Company Seals.

  Tradeable for Cokes/Minium, and many other FC submarine building items. Glamour prisms is also a viable option. These are all MB-able and sells quite regularly. However if you're like me, who doesn't like to monitor MB sales, there's also the option to just buy Glacier Crystal/Bamboo Paper/Magicked Oilcloth, whichever of these "sells for 360g/piece"-items. They're the lesser efficient mean but does not require MB monitoring. Venture coins can also translate to Quick Venture --> Venture Coffer --> Lucky Jet Blacks/Pure Whites Dyes to sell.
  
  There's also the Material Containers that is essentially a gacha box that could yield you nothing or millions of gil should they puke out something valuable. Mind you they're slow moving items mostly.

• Boatloads of -potential- current tier materias (i.e. mostly the XI today) on hand.

  Every even-numbered patches will release new set of crafted gears. This means the influx of players who wants to pentameld their combat gears in the first 5 days would skyrocket. Say, if you have amassed loads of these materias from those trains that you don't use around these small periods, why not throw them to MB? They'll be selling like hot cakes & are expensive.

• Capping limited tome before release of even numbered patches.

  These will become the next unlimited capstone tomes. In its place, a new limited weekly tome will be introduced. Coincidentally, being the next unlimited capstone tome means it'll be used to buy next tier of crafted gears. So the first 2000 tomes jumpstart can either yield or save you lots of gil.

It should also goes without saying, but the last two methods are only viable in aforementioned period(s).

Yes, gil making is relatively easy. But that doesn't mean they're free estate. Once you know Squeenix's rigid scheduling, it all comes down to how much effort you'd like to put in. Making conscious decision to not let some currencies stays capped also adds up over time. Especially since I think you mentioned you don't spend a lot---keeping the habit consistently would've earned you a lot over time just from playing dailies.

EDIT: I missed the part where you mentioned bicolors. Bicolor mount vouchers sells like hot cakes the last time I remember seeing 'em.

[MirielleLavandre]

In this game there's really no reason for anyone with a max level character to not have millions. Just solo Titania EX for mats and make weapons, or grab 2 or so others and farm Hades for auracite and/or make weapons to sell. Auracite still around 500k and weapons 1 mil. In an hour or two of farming almost certainly get 3-4 mat drops...

[AllenThyl]

Oh brother, I can't believe there actually was someone in this thread saying that using in game macros to craft is cheating.

Good grief.

And since this post, it only got "better" (with regards to the entertainment value). I am not one for schadenfreude, but boy oh boy does it read like certain people have finally found their match.

[Gurgeh]

A lot to go through here, but I'll try answering in order:

1. Hunt train rewards you clusters, hunt nut, poetic, capstone tome, and limited tome.
2. Clusters are for current tier combat materia.
3. Hunt Nut can translate into past tome gears, meaning they can be traded into Company Seals Alternatively they can also yield current tier combat materias.
4. Poetic is similar to nuts, except you can't pick up materias.
5. Capstone tome can yield either current tier crafted gear mats or more gears, which are also tradeable into Company Seals.
6. Limited tome is... well, timegated. Not much can be done on-patch, but they will have use in next even numbered patches when they eventually become the next capstone tome.

Okay, so we've established what these currencies can be translated into. Now what to do with these? You have several options here:

• Company Seals.

  Tradeable for Cokes/Minium, and many other FC submarine building items. Glamour prisms is also a viable option. These are all MB-able and sells quite regularly. However if you're like me, who doesn't like to monitor MB sales, there's also the option to just buy Glacier Crystal/Bamboo Paper/Magicked Oilcloth, whichever of these "sells for 360g/piece"-items. They're the lesser efficient mean but does not require MB monitoring.
  
  There's also the Material Containers that is essentially a gacha box that could yield you nothing or millions of gil should they puke out something valuable. Mind you they're slow moving items mostly.

• Boatloads of -potential- current tier materias (i.e. mostly the XI today) on hand.

  Every even-numbered patches will release new set of crafted gears. This means the influx of players who wants to pentameld their combat gears in the first 5 days would skyrocket. Say, if you have loads of these materias you don't use around these small periods, why not throw them to MB? They'll be selling like hot cakes & are expensive.

• Capping limited tome before release of even numbered patches.

  These will become the next unlimited capstone tomes. In its place, a new limited weekly tome will be introduced. Coincidentally, being the next unlimited capstone tome means it'll be used to buy next tier of crafted gears. So the first 2000 tomes jumpstart can either yield or save you lots of gil.

It should also goes without saying, but the last two methods are only viable in aforementioned period(s).

Yes, gil making is relatively easy. But that doesn't mean they're free estate. Once you know Squeenix's rigid scheduling, it all comes down to how much effort you'd like to put in.

Thank you so much for this. Other people have tried to be helpful, but this is the first answer that did more that jus leave me feeling even more lost.
Sadly truth is, I doubt I'll use it now. Which I feel bad about. Genuinley thank you for the info. However, I'm done now I've done the Extreemes, and Chaotic PF has shown me savage culture was never for me.
Maybe with savage when it was happening I'd have built or found a community for the long hall. Whats done is done, and thats just an unreality now.

I played the game constantly and 'enjoyed' The 'experience' of MSQ (I'm not s sophisticated consumer of stories) But I finished MSQ on the 27th July with 2 week holiday at the start. I don't know how these people get through enjoying MSQ, and level all crafters, and craft, in just four weeks. How... do.. you... do that. I wasn't playing MSQ constantly, I cant or I don't enjoy the story. But I was doing the MSQ... a lot, and mixing it up to smell the roses. I played it way faster than when I was working up form ARR.
The route for me was clearly gil. Maybe in another three years then. (but its doubtful)
I don't know if there is more crafted gear to come, or if you can start the next savage tear without doing the first? But truth is its inlikely I'll try now. I'm unsubbed, so can't earn any gil, and I can't imagine enjoying game for all the time I'd have to be subbed to earn gil for the next tear. And I'll just be 'so bad' at the game again. Certainly not good enough for savage. The damage is done. Mostly by myself and my naivety. I just thought having played for four years the game would be 'stuctured' to take me through it the way it had until then. Tomes = gear > do content. Or that I'd easily be able to level crafters and make gear, if crafted gear and penta was what it was all about. That wasn't the case. Yeah I was naive.

Thanks for the info. I can at least see I make sense to someone.

I think its sad. I'm bored becuase I've got nothing to do. But I would craft if I had had a reason (like making my own gear) but now I don't need gear for antthing becuase I wasn't fast enough, and now I don't need to craft and don't want to craft. No interesting casual content. And no reason to do the other fluff. I'm one person they could have kept. The game has no casual game content after the four weeks (I mean battling) They are goign to spend all that time on Extreme farms, and Savage, and ultimate, and Chaotic, yet they couldn't put it off a little longer. To make it more welcoming to more casual gamers who are gonna be left with a drought. (beast tribes for me are filler while I'm doing other content. There is no other content now I've celared each extreme.)

[Lilapop]

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"Converting casuals into raiders"? What? You do realize not everyone likes raiding, yes? Otherwise, it genuinely sounds like you only like MSQ. So, just do what you like.

[Yodada]

Did they ever mentioned about the content being unsync-able in the future or is this forever locked to lv100?

Its synched to Max ILvl 735. That should be enough to see that the incompetence in CBU3 is strong to not even think about that topic.

[Gurgeh]

"Converting casuals into raiders"? What? You do realize not everyone likes raiding, yes? Otherwise, it genuinely sounds like you only like MSQ. So, just do what you like.

I think your right. Fundamentally your either one of those people who get from a new account to savage in a matter of months. Or you'll never have what it takes to do savage.
There is no converting casual to 'raider' (alliance and normals isn't being a "raider")
Hence the choices made with chaotic and criterion. The know it's a futile aspiration. So invest in the raiders.

[Gurgeh]

And since this post, it only got "better" (with regards to the entertainment value). I am not one for schadenfreude, but boy oh boy does it read like certain people have finally found their match.

Yeah cheating was a lazy/stupid choice of words on my part.
But they add all of these complex crafting abilities, and tight resource vs star management.
Then none uses the abilities.
They plug their stats and two crafting values into a solver.
And the only 'actions they use' are Ctrl-c and ctrl-v
What a WASTE of dev time. Just get rid of the actions.
The only people having fun are the third party devs.
And THEN I gather there is an add-on that can use the crafting procs, to reacalulate crafts on the fly, like a satnav recalculating for traffic. It's all automated apparently, you don't even have to copy macros.
No I dint believe anyone is working out actions themselves not fit series crafting.
Entry crafting doesn't need it because your effectively OP. And by then your not using your full suite.
There might be one of two mental arithmetic geniuses or savants who do because they know it's hard to do.Z
Everyone else, plug in the numbers ctrl C ctrl V
It's not cheating but it is COMPLETELY bypassing the whole crafting game. Just take my stats and tell be if can do the craft or not. So what if I push one same button instead of four same buttons. The actions, are irrelevant.
It's not morally cheating. But what a waste of dev effort. If I was the crafting systems designer, it's like that cartoon meme with the butter robot. Your existence is pointless

[Collin_Sky]

Yeah cheating was a lazy/stupid choice of words on my part.
But they add all of these complex crafting abilities, and tight resource vs star management.
Then none uses the abilities.
They plug their stats and two crafting values into a solver.
And the only 'actions they use' are Ctrl-c and ctrl-v
What a WASTE of dev time. Just get rid of the actions.
The only people having fun are the third party devs.
And THEN I gather there is an add-on that can use the crafting procs, to reacalulate crafts on the fly, like a satnav recalculating for traffic. It's all automated apparently, you don't even have to copy macros.
No I dint believe anyone is working out actions themselves not fit series crafting.
Entry crafting doesn't need it because your effectively OP. And by then your not using your full suite.
There might be one of two mental arithmetic geniuses or savants who do because they know it's hard to do.Z
Everyone else, plug in the numbers ctrl C ctrl V
It's not cheating but it is COMPLETELY bypassing the whole crafting game. Just take my stats and tell be if can do the craft or not. So what if I push one same button instead of four same buttons. The actions, are irrelevant.
It's not morally cheating. But what a waste of dev effort. If I was the crafting systems designer, it's like that cartoon meme with the butter robot. Your existence is pointless

My dude you cannot conceive of people just playing the game and enjoying themselves crafting?
"No I don't believe anyone is working out actions themselves"
BRUH come on you can't be serious. Stop existing in hyperbole.

You've said you're a console player in previous posts, so all I can imagine is you sitting on your PS5 silently fuming under the assumption that every PC player is botting or something, jeez.