Just Nerf Picto

[Supersnow845]

They can do that, but only up to a point. It exacerbates a couple other problems. First, increasing the potencies of various abilities can greatly upset the balance in lower level content, and while that content mostly "doesn't matter," it does impact the experience of new players when story trials just get obliterated before any mechanics happen. And there are old Ultimates.

The other problem is that they seemingly can't decide how they want to balance some roles vs. the others. RDM, SMN, and the Ranged jobs all pay a hefty DPS tax for their support abilities and I know players who favor those jobs are already unhappy with that. That will only get worse as SE isn't going to buff those jobs as much as their precious BLM and melees. They're also unlikely to buff tank damage- what happens when the DPS do 5x or 10x more damage than tanks? Will "Additional Effect: Increased Enmity" need to be added to every button a tank has?

Inadvertently making one slightly OP job and then buffing others to match it just creates a never ending cycle. It doesn't seem sustainable to me.

Tank agro isn’t a concern here in any way, a tank generates 10* the agro of a non tank and 20* the agro of a heal. A “increased enmity” move generates 15* the ago of a non tank

Tanks who are unable to hold agro against any class with an inbuilt 10* bonus while only doing 70% damage is simply a bad tank

[AurisNix]

If you really like your Job you should just play your Job no matter what people tell you.

Love wins overall! >:0

As most statics doing prog on hardcore content we always check our damage to improve etc is not something I generally care about even in week 1 savage, but this is the first time I go into ultimate with a "raider" mindset rather than a casual funsies mindset that I usually go to. My damage as RDM would parse 95 -100 in our best pulls and die in enrage, while as PCT I parse a low gray number and barely know the rotation and very rarely see the enrage (most of the time when I die). Ive been doing some dailies and some other content as PCT (to improve and memorize my rotation) and that same overpower feeling still reflects in every content I jump into, unlike some ppl think that this is only a problem in FRU well in my experience they are completely wrong cuz PCT nukes dungeon bosses, trials etc in any low or current level content. I even tried the WAR-PCT duo in treasure maps as someone mentioned here and I was surprised how easy it was. I do agree that PCT is the best job design we ever had (and wish all the jobs had that treatment as well) but doesn't justify the overtune in their abilities that makes any other dps job meaningless (not only casters). Why nerf picto? cuz they said they would rather buff all the other dps jobs instead but I highly doubt they would retune all the other dungeons, alliances or trials as well either high end or casual.

All I can think of is when back in EW the alliance raid were such a joke and most of the content was a walking simulator to the point of skipping entire mechs without much effort.

Imagine being a new player going into Aglaia and never find out that Nald Thal has a "balance" mech and a cutscene after that just because boss died in a snap. I don't wanna go back to that boring experience of EW just because they think is better to buff all the jobs rather than nerf one job. Thats not a good casual experience for me.

[hydralus]

Tank agro isn’t a concern here in any way, a tank generates 10* the agro of a non tank and 20* the agro of a heal. A “increased enmity” move generates 15* the ago of a non tank

Tanks who are unable to hold agro against any class with an inbuilt 10* bonus while only doing 70% damage is simply a bad tank

15* seems like a lot until you realize your AoE is 100 potency and then you have the overeager picto dropping 3300 potency attacks in 3 seconds.

That said you're still a bad tank if that matters.

[FuturePastNow]

15* seems like a lot until you realize your AoE is 100 potency and then you have the overeager picto dropping 3300 potency attacks in 3 seconds.

That said you're still a bad tank if that matters.

I'm not saying it's a problem now, but it may become a problem if they fall down a never ending spiral of buffing every DPS to catch up to whatever the developer pet DPS was last patch

(also it clearly was a problem in the very recent past since they had to add +enmity to the tank AoE due to pictos in dungeons)

[Lorika]

You know, one of the first thing Gacha Player ask when they want to try a Gacha Game released a while ago : How is the Powercreep?
Powercreep is considered a bad thing, and it is.

Asking for Powercreep to fixing an OP Class is just asking for killing the game on the long run.

Nerfing only the class it's far better than Powercreep.... You'll make all the people playing the job only for the big number (and not because they like it) cry because they won't be OP anymore but, it's far better than letting all the players playing the other class getting more and more angry....

[Supersnow845]

I'm not saying it's a problem now, but it may become a problem if they fall down a never ending spiral of buffing every DPS to catch up to whatever the developer pet DPS was last patch

(also it clearly was a problem in the very recent past since they had to add +enmity to the tank AoE due to pictos in dungeons)

It wasn’t a problem it was just lazy tanks who didn’t understand classes that could front load burst, it was exactly the same as SMN and DNC in 6.x if you used tech step or ark mohn.

It’s got little to nothing to do with PCT and everything to do with squares never ending goal of baby proofing the tank role

[Nasigno]

You know, one of the first thing Gacha Player ask when they want to try a Gacha Game released a while ago : How is the Powercreep?
Powercreep is considered a bad thing, and it is.

Asking for Powercreep to fixing an OP Class is just asking for killing the game on the long run.

Nerfing only the class it's far better than Powercreep.... You'll make all the people playing the job only for the big number (and not because they like it) cry because they won't be OP anymore but, it's far better than letting all the players playing the other class getting more and more angry....

So, should they also nerf DRG/MNK? As after all SAM is greedy DPS and is not beating those outright. Guess we need to drop quite a few jobs to be in line with the logic. Only Viper, Samurai, and Black Mage deserve the crown of the top DPS and everything else should just a substitute? Granted if your argument is purely based on "people who play it will cry about it not being OP" that is what we are seeing with BLM about PCT right now. How many complaints are about "how BLM is being overshadowed by PCT." this is same argument as mentioned.

As said, the median increase is at best 3K DPS . Yea, sure its about 1 million HP in an overall fight in FRU only. (Key point, as nowhere else this exists.). But given all encounters outside of FRU, or any multi-downtime fights which is not current content, PCT loses out to, DRG, VPR, MNK, BLM and that data can be substantiated. There is clear empirical evidence of it that is readily available. Would a job that is so vastly overpowered LOSE in uptime fights to other jobs? Granted that all depends on the player able to generate said results, has the gear, so on. Though, also in that same data exists proof PCT can do worse than tank or healer damage. Remember, the peak capability is not done by everyone. There is a massive gap in what can be done, to even what is done on the average that can be seen.

I just rest the point, as truly it is way overblown to a point beyond belief. It is working as intended, do not stress.

[Supersnow845]

So now that NIN (and SCH) are as far ahead in CAR as PCT is in FRU for their unique advantage of their raid buff being a debuff on the boss is it time to call for NIN nerfs or is this different somehow

[Lorika]

So, should they also nerf DRG/MNK? As after all SAM is greedy DPS and is not beating those outright. Guess we need to drop quite a few jobs to be in line with the logic. Only Viper, Samurai, and Black Mage deserve the crown of the top DPS and everything else should just a substitute? Granted if your argument is purely based on "people who play it will cry about it not being OP" that is what we are seeing with BLM about PCT right now. How many complaints are about "how BLM is being overshadowed by PCT." this is same argument as mentioned.

As said, the median increase is at best 3K DPS . Yea, sure its about 1 million HP in an overall fight in FRU only. (Key point, as nowhere else this exists.). But given all encounters outside of FRU, or any multi-downtime fights which is not current content, PCT loses out to, DRG, VPR, MNK, BLM and that data can be substantiated. There is clear empirical evidence of it that is readily available. Would a job that is so vastly overpowered LOSE in uptime fights to other jobs? Granted that all depends on the player able to generate said results, has the gear, so on. Though, also in that same data exists proof PCT can do worse than tank or healer damage. Remember, the peak capability is not done by everyone. There is a massive gap in what can be done, to even what is done on the average that can be seen.

I just rest the point, as truly it is way overblown to a point beyond belief. It is working as intended, do not stress.

Unbalance and Powercreep are two different things.
Unbalance can be fixed little by little.... Powercreep cannot.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

So now that NIN (and SCH) are as far ahead in CAR as PCT is in FRU for their unique advantage of their raid buff being a debuff on the boss is it time to call for NIN nerfs or is this different somehow

Are NIN + SCH presence making a DPS check / enrage in Chaotic inconsequential by magnitudes like PCT in FRU? I get where the question is coming from, but I don't think it can be compared like this. From what I heard you don't really skip anything by having them present + the penalties for getting hit in general aren't like Ultimates anyways.