should 8.0 cut the harder content back in exchange for-

[ShadowyZero]

Sometimes, the developers just need to ignore certain players and figure out which ones should be ignored, or which ones they want to focus on. The relic grinds are certainly an example of that. Just because some people want them handed out doesn't mean they should be, and just because people want Eureka NMs to spawn like Skirmishes doesn't mean they should because that makes them feel less meaningful as bosses.

poor guy these forums finally broke you to the point you're now actively trying to force people out because of having a different opinion from yours, so sad to see you fall to their depravity.
ALL forms of critique or feedback is valid even if you personally don't like it or agree with it i think you need a break from these forums my dude its starting to turn you toxic
you can't shove people out just for not agreeing with you. you can make the choice yourself to just distance yourself from them or block them and move on
be better than this Jeeq you're supposed to be the one towing the line for Square Enix afterall

[Jeeqbit]

poor guy these forums finally broke you to the point you're now actively trying to force people out because of having a different opinion from yours, so sad to see you fall to their depravity.

You have misinterpreted what I said. I have never suggested anyone should quit. I just stated a fact - and it is a fact - that the producer and director of an MMORPG has to decide who to listen to, and who not to. Yoshi-P has said this himself, but it's true regardless, because the playerbase is often split with polar opposite views that don't have a middleground, forcing the developers to choose which side they are on.

I was just saying that people who want things handed out to them (instant gratification) instead of earning things should sometimes not be listened to. Relics are prestigious items - symbols of having put in a lot of work. Listening to people who do not want them to be that does not make sense.

Not listening to them does not mean they should quit, but that they should accept they are something you work towards if you really want it.

[Volgia]

ALL forms of critique or feedback is valid even if you personally don't like it or agree with it

I don't think this is true at all, you're entitled to your own opinion but that doesn't mean every opinion or critique is of the same quality or validity.

[CalvinDescoles]

No

We should not cut anything, simply add more ressource to make everyone happy (and worth of the money they spend)

[Stasya]

IMO this shouldn't be a conversation of casual vs. hardcore content. It should be a conversation of one time only/cookie cutter content vs. meaningful repeatable content.

You clearly don't understand that SE can give people more repeatable content right now, release bozja at start of expansion, more dungeons, even normal/savage floors, no snoozefest beast tribe quests etc.

Instead they work strictly on content rails to drip feed and say "please wait 2 years for stuff that was announced for expansion". This policy won't change, you are basically asking them to replace savage/ultimates with island sanctuary 2.0 which will be released 1 year into expansion.

They will not make anything new, because that will require senior devs actually working on this game instead of wasting time on ff15/16/17/remakes for "profits".

[ForteNightshade]

People really need to understand hardcore content only exists because it's cheap and efficient to develop. You wouldn't get "more robust casual and midcore content" because most of that takes substantial resources they aren't willing to dedicate to the game. Case in point, if you look at any of the Savage fights, they are quite similar to their normal counterparts save for one or two mechanics. The actual difference comes from the sequence of how those mechanics are revolved, how much faster you're expected to react and the lack of visual indicators. If they were to scrap Savage, you'd get a few extra mechanics added to the normals and a fifth fight at best. Which I don't think will exactly wow anyone.

Ultimate is even more of this. Yoshida has outright said 95% of it is all reused assets. Now they've since added a unique final phase. So we could argue that down to 80-85%. So what exactly would 20% of an encounter do in terms of adding more "robust casual content?" What you might get is a baby mode version of said Ultimate, which kind of defeats the entire point. Not to mention, a lot of people already hate the 99 totem farm and you know they'd do that because content has to last. Don't believe me? Go have a look at the Chaotic tokens they just added. 49 for your hairstyle, 75 for one mount and 99 for the other.

[caffe_macchiato]

There’s no point in developing ultimates when they will always be solved with cheats on day one. FFXIV has by far the best modding and cheating support out of any MMO and Square Enix is okay with this since they’ll do nothing about it. They could save a lot of money by not making ultimates, BUT this is Square Enix so that’s the opposite of their goal. Maybe they could just burn the money instead? At least it would be funny to watch, unlike the world first race.

No, but perhaps they can put some of that into forum moderation and clamping down on the trolls and their troll topics.

Fully agreed, and as such, the game is perfectly fine as-is. You like FRU and you like the raiding focus. That’s why you sub to FFXIV. And 40 other people who liked your comment also agree. FFXIV is the raiding MMO and you all like that.

By the way, FFXIV went from being the world’s most popular MMO to being #4 or #5, and Square Enix lost 70% of its revenue last year. FFXIV lost half of its player base since this summer and is at its lowest numbers since Shadowbringers. But you like this! So it’s okay! You want that. Right?

[Menriq]

There’s no point in developing ultimates when they will always be solved with cheats on day one. FFXIV has by far the best modding and cheating support out of any MMO and Square Enix is okay with this since they’ll do nothing about it. They could save a lot of money by not making ultimates, BUT this is Square Enix so that’s the opposite of their goal. Maybe they could just burn the money instead? At least it would be funny to watch, unlike the world first race.



Fully agreed, and as such, the game is perfectly fine as-is. You like FRU and you like the raiding focus. That’s why you sub to FFXIV. And 40 other people who liked your comment also agree. FFXIV is the raiding MMO and you all like that.

By the way, FFXIV went from being the world’s most popular MMO to being #4 or #5, and Square Enix lost 70% of its revenue last year. FFXIV lost half of its player base since this summer and is at its lowest numbers since Shadowbringers. But you like this! So it’s okay! You want that. Right?

Not sure where you get my raiding focus. You can clearly see that I do savage, a little ultimate, but raiding is far from my only focus. I do all spectrums of content. If raiding was my only focus, there are better options out there. But I mean, I've seen you in other threads. You like to absolutely dumpster on this game, and yet you are still here. Guessing you like this as well?

[Kohashi]

But I mean, I've seen you in other threads. You like to absolutely dumpster on this game, and yet you are still here. Guessing you like this as well?

that's pretty much for the crew in the forums that always complain about stuff and wail and bitch and moan about how awful the game is yet they are still around.

There’s no point in developing ultimates when they will always be solved with cheats on day one. FFXIV has by far the best modding and cheating support out of any MMO and Square Enix is okay with this since they’ll do nothing about it.

Nobody gives a flying F about how people clear content, ultimate or otherwise, except for those people that sit in Limsa with their weapon stance on.
As for Mods, if SE will take an aggressive stance and bans all, they will end up also alienating the majority of their player base because a LOT of people use various mods, starting from accessibility, to the UI not being dogshit, to Viera being actually able to wear every single hat, to high rez textures, to condensing buttons or encounter assistance. At the end of the day, nobody cares. Stop worrying about what other people do and focus on yourself, your game and your own enjoyment.

[Stasya]

There’s no point in developing ultimates when they will always be solved with cheats on day one.

There is no point in developing casual content like dungeons, because people will cheat with autorotation and blatant botting anyway.

But w/e you have pointless bait.