Do you think that Picto needs a nerf?

[Realfoxy]

So I meant despair not flare, don’t know why I said flare

Also look at average across the 4 fights; BLM at 90th average score was 98 in 7.05 and 105 in 7.1, that’s a 6% buff even accounting for the average player skill dropping in 7.1

OK well if you're talking about the Despair changes, that's already factored into the net 0.7% buff that I mentioned earlier. Yes it is that small, you can thank SE for nerfing Enochian instead of buffing it.

RE: scores, you're misinterpreting the way fflogs presents normalized scores. The scores are not the actual DPS amounts.

If you look at the actual DPS amounts for 90th percentiles, in 7.05 BLM is at 27.42k rDPS and PCT is at 28.92k rDPS. Then if you look at patch 7.1, BLM is at 27.47k rDPS and PCT is at 27.37k rDPS.

Now I think we can all agree that PCT didn't actually get nerfed in 7.1, so once again I have to question why we're bothering to look at 7.1 patch data.

[Supersnow845]

OK well if you're talking about the Despair changes, that's already factored into the net 0.7% buff that I mentioned earlier. Yes it is that small, you can thank SE for nerfing Enochian instead of buffing it.

RE: scores, you're misinterpreting the way fflogs presents normalized scores. The scores are not the actual DPS amounts.

If you look at the actual DPS amounts for 90th percentiles, in 7.05 BLM is at 27.42k rDPS and PCT is at 28.92k rDPS. Then if you look at patch 7.1, BLM is at 27.47k rDPS and PCT is at 27.37k rDPS.

Now I think we can all agree that PCT didn't actually get nerfed in 7.1, so once again I have to question why we're bothering to look at 7.1 patch data.

Because if PCT’s skill went down then BLM did as well

You are basically saying “PCT didn’t get nerfed so ignore 7.1” then ignore 7.1 buffed BLM. There is no reason to believe that PCT went proportionally down while BLM didn’t

So you can increase PCT’s 7.1 score back to its 7.05 score but you also have to proportionally increase BLM’s score which still puts BLM ahead because the same lower skilled players are playing BLM and PCT in 7.1

That’s why it’s normalised score is higher

[Realfoxy]

Because if PCT’s skill went down then BLM did as well

You are basically saying “PCT didn’t get nerfed so ignore 7.1” then ignore 7.1 buffed BLM. There is no reason to believe that PCT went proportionally down while BLM didn’t

So you can increase PCT’s 7.1 score back to its 7.05 score but you also have to proportionally increase BLM’s score which still puts BLM ahead because the same lower skilled players are playing BLM and PCT in 7.1

That’s why it’s normalised score is higher

OK this going to be my last comment on this topic.

We know the gap in 7.05 (5.5% at 90th percentile rDPS), and we know the effect of the BLM buffs (3.7% AT MOST), and we know that BLM didn't get enough to catch up in rDPS. And if it's not catching up in rDPS (where a non burst job should be ahead), it's certainly not going to catch up anywhere close in cDPS.

Additionally, it might not be correct to scale up both jobs' 7.1 data. If the BLM buffs made it so much easier to play like you said, we'd expect BLM to gain relatively more with bad players compared to PCT which should have stayed the same. But we don't need to balance the game around people clearing in week 15 or whatever it is. At that point job balance doesn't matter at all since you're going to have plenty of gear and anyone can clear on anything they want, and the answer to "why can't I clear" isn't going to be "switch jobs" but instead just "play your job properly".

I personally don't get the insistence on defending SE's balancing here. Sure, I don't expect things to be perfect, but I expect some level of competence out of them. The fact that PCT was this far ahead on Savage release, the fact people KNEW its kit was going to be unbalanced in FRU when it was released - all these things were known MONTHS in advance and absolutely nothing was done.

Anyway, I look forward to the incremental buffs to BLM on every single even patch that barely bring it close to balanced by the end of the expansion, only for 8.0 to release, everything to get reverted, and SE to have learned nothing. At least that way I won't be disappointed.