Please nerf overpowered Jobs before Chaotic Raid

[BigCheez]

Yoshida already said that they're just refusing to nerf anything because numbers going down "feels bad", so they'll buff every job until they're on PCT's level and further trivialize all pre-buff content in the process.

Literally impossible.

PCT is playing a different game to the other jobs. On a striking dummy, PCT performs the same as the other jobs already. As soon as there is downtime that prevents other jobs from being able to build resources, PCT can use this time to paint and as a result, pulls ahead massively.

They need to either move away from the cookie cutter 123 build/spend rotations or prevent PCT from benefiting from painting during downtime.

[Collin_Sky]

or prevent PCT from benefiting from painting during downtime.

or they give jobs a way to also benefit from downtime. The simple fact is that downtime in fights (especially ultimate it's excessively frequent) is really, really boring. I say that as someone with over 100 ultimate kills and well over 2000 ultimate pulls. Downtime in these fights is always the most boring part. Give me something to do beyond just standing around and letting mechanics resolve around me. It's so boring, but PCT at least has something to do there beyond standing doing nothing.

When PCT came out people were praising its design because of how much it fits the class fantasy and doesn't feel like other jobs. Now that it's exposed how poorly designed other jobs are by comparison, people are crying for nerfs instead of asking for other jobs to be given such a soulful redesign instead, it's pathetic.

People who have literally never stepped into a single one of these fights are complaining about things they do not understand without considering what it would actually do to the job or how it would impact the balance outside that specific fight.

[IOwn92FCHouses]

Literally impossible.

PCT is playing a different game to the other jobs. On a striking dummy, PCT performs the same as the other jobs already. As soon as there is downtime that prevents other jobs from being able to build resources, PCT can use this time to paint and as a result, pulls ahead massively.

They need to either move away from the cookie cutter 123 build/spend rotations or prevent PCT from benefiting from painting during downtime.

The former. They should do the former. Because nuking the 1 interesting new job design we've gotten since Shadowbringers knee-capped job design is the absolute worst choice they could make.

I don't give a single shit if Picto is broken in ultis. If that's the price to pay for a new standard of job design, then I'll see it paid with a smile on my face.

[BigCheez]

The former. They should do the former. Because nuking the 1 interesting new job design we've gotten since Shadowbringers knee-capped job design is the absolute worst choice they could make.

I don't give a single shit if Picto is broken in ultis. If that's the price to pay for a new standard of job design, then I'll see it paid with a smile on my face.

I agree but given recent trends, I wouldn't be surprised if they just make PCT's paintings targeted attacks instead.

[Collin_Sky]

I agree but given recent trends, I wouldn't be surprised if they just make PCT's paintings targeted attacks instead.

This would break PCT in ways you do not understand.
After downtime occurs, very often in a fight people will go directly into their burst windows when the next phase starts. This happens quite often as fights often line up like this, P2 into the intermission in FRU is a good example of this.
If PCT could only paint with a target, you have 2 scenarios:
1. PCT has to pre-paint before the boss goes untargetable, potentially failing a DPS check as up to 9 seconds are spent doing absolutely no DPS.
2. PCT has to paint once the boss becomes targetable again, thereby either misaligning its raid buffs with the rest of the party, or forcing the entire party to burst around PCT.

This is not a good solution.

Once again, Ultimate is the only content in the game this is a problem. There is no reason to burn the job to the ground just because of ultimate fights being designed around excessive downtime. Hell, I'd go as far as to say ultimates would be much harder and engaging if there was less downtime.

[BigCheez]

This would break PCT in ways you do not understand.
After downtime occurs, very often in a fight people will go directly into their burst windows when the next phase starts. This happens quite often as fights line up like this. P2 into the intermission in FRU is a good example of this.
If PCT could only paint with a target, you have 2 scenarios:
1. PCT has to pre-paint before the boss goes untargetable, potentially failing a DPS check.
2. PCT has to paint once the boss becomes targetable again, thereby either misaligning its raid buffs with the rest of the party, or forcing the entire party to burst around PCT.

This is not a good solution.

Yeah, you'd need to make the decision to burst early and build again when the boss targetable or hold burst until after the boss is targetable. The same as pretty much every other job. I imagine they would also add potency to painting so that it's part of your filler and you aren't doing 0 damage by choosing to paint early/

Like I said before, they need to either make PCT fit the mould defined by the other jobs, or make the other jobs less rigid. I think it would be better to change the other jobs, but these are the 2 possible solutions to the PCT problem.

If they did this, I imagine they would add potency to painting so that it's part of your filler and you aren't doing 0 damage by choosing to paint.

[Collin_Sky]

Yeah, you'd need to make the decision to burst early and build again when the boss targetable or hold burst until after the boss is targetable. The same as pretty much every other job.

No. Not entirely.

I used the example of P2 transitioning into the intermission of FRU, so I'll continue with that. During the ~30 seconds of downtime, cooldowns for all other jobs are ticking away and are ready to go almost immediately once the crystals become targetable.
However, PCT requires extra steps to perform its burst. SCH can simply pop Chain Stratagem, WAR can activate Inner Release, and DNC can use Technical Step. While these jobs can hold their gauges, that’s not the same as requiring 9 seconds of GCDs that accomplish absolutely nothing just to set up a proper burst.