FFXIV has lost it's heart

[Exmo]

You want to put a false equivalency out there, of course someone has to call you out on it. Wuk does fall much more into the shonen archtype and telling ppl they lack media literacy because they put her in that catagory is telling about your own ability to concentrate.

And that shallow patronizing thing you have going, yeah not only not a good look, but that was just not done well at all. It just feels really like you are trying and think you are super witty and smart, but just comes off as the opposite. I thinking I pulled that whole, "me and your mom are worried about you" thing on the playground when I was like 10. If you want to be condescending, at the very least do a little better.

I beg you, read what you're responding to beyond the very first sentence. Take your time. I know you can do it, I believe in you!

[AnimaAnimus]

I beg you, read what you're responding to beyond the very first sentence. Take your time. I know you can do it, I believe in you!

3/10 at best. Try again. You can do it, I know you can!

[Exmo]

3/10 at best. Try again. You can do it, I know you can!

I will summarize for you.

I said Wuk Lamat is not a shonen protagonist.

Someone else proposed basic criteria for a shonen protagonist and said she meets this criteria so she's a shonen protagonist.

I listed other characters across fiction that also meet that criteria, asking if they're also shonen protagonists.

You'll have to engage your brain a little bit here so try really hard for a second, but the implication I'm making is they are not shonen protagonists and therefore they are not equivalent. This therefore illustrates why the criteria they laid out is wrong.

Phew! We did it!

[ZephyrMenodora]

I will summarize for you.

I said Wuk Lamat is not a shonen protagonist.

Someone else proposed basic criteria for a shonen protagonist and said she meets this criteria so she's a shonen protagonist.

I listed other characters across fiction that also meet that criteria, asking if they're also shonen protagonists.

You'll have to engage your brain a little bit here so try really hard for a second, but the implication I'm making is they are not shonen protagonists and therefore they are not equivalent. This therefore illustrates why the criteria they laid out is wrong.

Phew! We did it!

Regardless of nitpicking over terminology, Wuk does have moments of completely unearned power increases for someone who only had trained in a confined setting and barely has any experience out in the world. Outperforming the WOL in the end trial is ridiculous.

[Exmo]

Regardless of nitpicking over terminology, Wuk does have moments of completely unearned power increases for someone who only had trained in a confined setting and barely has any experience out in the world. Outperforming the WOL in the end trial is ridiculous.

I don't think it's really useful to compare the fiction communicated of the player and their party during a trial versus that of an NPC, since we and they operate on different fictional bases. For example, in the past Estinien could withstand an attack from Nidhogg that would leave s player in critical health. And Lyse could one-shot a mob in a level 70 dungeon that we could barely dent. But as players we all understand that this is not the game saying these characters outperform us in combat.

[ZephyrMenodora]

I don't think it's really useful to compare the fiction communicated of the player and their party during a trial versus that of an NPC, since we and they operate on different fictional bases. For example, in the past Estinien could withstand an attack from Nidhogg that would leave s player in critical health. And Lyse could one-shot a mob in a level 70 dungeon that we could barely dent. But as players we all understand that this is not the game saying these characters outperform us in combat.

Estinian having a moment against Nidhogg was completely earned in his story as the Azure Dragoon. Lyse one-shotting what? A trash mob? Who cares. Whatever mob she killed was such a non-issue I don't even know what your referencing.

Wuk's moments just felt unearned and forced. Along with her overpowering the entire story, many of us just had enough of her and that was a final straw.

[Exmo]

Estinian having a moment against Nidhogg was completely earned in his story as the Azure Dragoon. Lyse one-shotting what? A trash mob? Who cares. Whatever mob she killed was such a non-issue I don't even know what your referencing.

Wuk's moments just felt unearned and forced. Along with her overpowering the entire story, many of us just had enough of her and that was a final straw.

Ok. I don't think Wuk Lamat's moment was unearned. I think it was earned through the MSQ of Dawntrail, which went to great lengths to develop her character and show how she grows.

[ovIm]

Wuk's moments just felt unearned and forced. Along with her overpowering the entire story, many of us just had enough of her and that was a final straw.

As much as I find the "Wuk Lamat Bad" discourse exhausting, these sentences ring the truest though. Because of the writing, Wuk was put as a centerpiece of almost every cutscene in the 7.0 MSQ. Of course that is not going to be seen positive by everyone at the end of the day.

And as for that final bossfight... it was just insulting to the player. Sphene considers us the biggest danger (rightfully so), pushes out the other two so we can have a final epic clash, only to have to be saved by Wuk who was much weaker than us just moments ago to the point of being labelled "irrelevant" by Queen Eternal. That just felt bad.

[Daralii]

Estinian having a moment against Nidhogg was completely earned in his story as the Azure Dragoon. Lyse one-shotting what? A trash mob? Who cares. Whatever mob she killed was such a non-issue I don't even know what your referencing.

Wuk's moments just felt unearned and forced. Along with her overpowering the entire story, many of us just had enough of her and that was a final straw.

The important thing about the moment in Ghimlyt is that Lyse or one of a few other NPCs(I think Yugiri, Pippin, and Hien are the others) will LB3 the iron giant and then stay back to guard the rear with Kan-E because the WoL's party is better suited to the task ahead than they are. This is never the case with Wuk. She is always at the fore, even after becoming co-ruler of an empire, and it is always the correct decision because she's the strongest because the plot says so.

[AnimaAnimus]

You'll have to engage your brain a little bit here so try really hard for a second,

If you really want to have this sort of inflated ego, I beg you to do better. I can see you are trying, I really can. But you just seem to come off as having a sense of superiority that your words and wit just don't measure up to. We can have conversations without patronizing each other. But your instant jump to this tone is just going to give you so much trouble in your life, esp since you don't have the appropriate level of cleverness to pull it off well.

So if you really want to keep up this conversation, either tackle it from the perspective of a grown adult or just continue to show us this odd level of self delusion that adds nothing to the conversation. And if you are trying to troll just for the luls, well than, maybe practice a bit more on a smaller forum.