#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Alice_Rivers]

There is no doubt that Guild Wars 2 influenced the job developers at Creative Studio III. However, I don't see Square Enix throwing out the trinity. It'd be too much work to rebuild every job in the game to make it happen. It'd be much easier to leave the role in the game and fix healers.

Would that I shared your optimism. When I look at the game I see an environment where all the work is done already to remove healers from 60+ content, shifting some tank skills around and giving a few potency buffs to make ARR/HW reliably doable is all that's left.

Also, ignoring us WILL make us go away, it just takes a while.

[HyperiusUltima]

You misunderstand. I was not saying "wait and see." I'm saying "wait until they give us some inkling what they're going to do." We cannot provide any feedback on something on which we're completely in the dark.

Yeah, and if you rollback to pre-Stormblood, Healers were extremely unhappy with WHM because the Lily System was heavily criticized before it was even released from the Media Tour. They've been VERY radio silent ever since about any job changes to prevent their team from actually taking criticism before the work is done instead of course correcting in stride, but I can understand how it would affect morale if you had an angry gamer criticizing you over XYZ feature or something minute. That's what the Forums originally were for - feedback.

[HyperiusUltima]

The part of this that I disagree with, is 'the next 10 years'.

It was an over-exaggeration on my part since I've been a bit jaded for a while starting back in Shadowbringers after we figured out SE has WHM-ified AST/SCH. Still, I agree with your points. Tanks were kinda dead for a good chunk of early early ARR because of the fact that nobody wanted to really play it(and they were sparse, just like Healers were with ARR's old systems). This is why we had the Tank Mounts added - to get people to do it for the mount. It's part of why you see at least every tank once usually, but with Healers they seriously need to provide an incentive to do so, if not in the same vein. I feel they're partially afraid to do so because of development resources being diverted from other projects within XIV's team to create these mounts would take some time(though to be honest, they could do without adding anything to the Mog Station for a while...)

[Aravell]

Hey! I apologized!

/em sticks out tongue

I wasn't trying to dig at you for that again. I was pointing out the general state of the community discussion.

Some raiders blame RPers, some casuals blame raiders, some RPers blame the hidden modders.

It would be nice if people just admitted that we're just not being given enough content longevity rather than tearing into each other for scraps.

Anyway, as for the healer situation, I'm apathetic to it. I've already basically quit healing anyway. If they manage to surprise us in 8.0, great, if not, then it is what it is.

[Emitans]

Either that or ignore all the complainers and let Astrologians be Astrologians. It's individuals excessively obsessed with job balance who bent the job designer's ear and led us to where we are now.

It's also important to note, given the sheer amount of odd or unasked for changes in our jobs, these individuals were highly likely to have been family members or co-workers of the job designers than anyone from outside of Square Enix's workforce.

We're in a classic ivory tower situation all around.

Can't wait for the day we find out all the job changes in FFXIV are because some clueless exec is telling them to do stuff based on their kid's awful ideas or something like that.

[Kacho_Nacho]

I wasn't trying to dig at you for that again. I was pointing out the general state of the community discussion.

Some raiders blame RPers, some casuals blame raiders, some RPers blame the hidden modders.

It would be nice if people just admitted that we're just not being given enough content longevity rather than tearing into each other for scraps.

Anyway, as for the healer situation, I'm apathetic to it. I've already basically quit healing anyway. If they manage to surprise us in 8.0, great, if not, then it is what it is.

Okies, that's good.

Yeah, there's a lot of finger pointing on who is to blame for the current state of the game. The truth is it's clearly not any of the playerbase.

The problem lays exclusively at the feet of Square Enix. We're getting a lot less content for our money than we did when FFXIV was still young. We're not in maintenance mode but we're close.

As far as the healer situation, I'm more depressed about it than apathetic. Before now, I gained a lot of satisfaction and enjoyment out of healing.

I love playing support jobs more than any other role. I've even gone into full backup healer mode on Red Mage in progression raids in prior expansions because that helped everyone out for more than sticking to dealing damage.

Now, tanks and several damage dealers are self sufficient enough that healing is barely needed in a lot of duties. Heck, if I wanted to waste the time, I could just let the tanks carry the entire party, and let all the other characters repeatedly die, self rez and run back, until after the final boss is downed. How in the blazes did we even get here?

I don't know what I'd do if the proposed 8.0 job rework turns out to have been smoke and mirrors and healers get more of the same. I don't have a house so I'm not constrained to stay.

Can't wait for the day we find out all the job changes in FFXIV are because some clueless exec is telling them to do stuff based on their kid's awful ideas or something like that.

Oh. You mean like what happens in Hollywood and most of the publishing houses nowadays. There's always some exec trying to justify their job while not reading the material and throwing out vague suggestions to change things.

While I don't believe it's like that in Creative Studios III, I do think they're only listening to fellow employees, friends, and family members, while neglecting to listen to over five year's worth of feedback from the playerbase.

Yeah, we may disagree a lot. But, specific concerns and suggestions have regularly cropped up since Stormblood. Someone should have been passing this information to CS III rather than sitting on it. If it's discovered that it's been been buried because of Japanese culture, and their general tendency to not do anything different from anyone else for fear of ostracashion, I'm going to be really disappointed.

[OliviaLugria]

Instead of radio silence or complete transparency why not have fake leaks? Show them ideas of what your thinking, but be able to completely deny it.

I can already know in my heart that 8.0 is gonna be a lie. I still haven't seen anything worthy of them saying they're enhancing the fight design

[Hyperia]

Instead of radio silence or complete transparency why not have fake leaks? Show them ideas of what your thinking, but be able to completely deny it.

I can already know in my heart that 8.0 is gonna be a lie. I still haven't seen anything worthy of them saying they're enhancing the fight design

The devs got a lot of love and trust from all of their openness and engagement from 1.x through the 2.x series.

All of that is being burned with a proverbial flamethrower ie. silence, corporate style messaging and no engagement.

Really, just think about it, we get more engagement from politicians than the devs at this point. If I send a politician’s office a question, I’ll get an answer. I may not like the answer but I will always get one.

[Kacho_Nacho]

Dropped to page three? Not on my watch.

[Lorika]

Dropped to page three? Not on my watch.

Well, at this point it doesn't really matter anymore : 6 month old thread with 988 pages and 9879 response (well 9880 with mine).... And still not ackownlegment from SE/CBU3

The answer is clear : they don't give a sh*t about healer. period.

And i don't think this will change soon...