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  1. #11
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    Lyth's Avatar
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    Lythia Norvaine
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eraden View Post
    Mao disagrees. What PCTs show is how narrowly focussed game has become on boss fight design. When all boss fights become DDR, it should not be surprisings that a job designed SPECIFICALLY for DDR fights would excel.
    The sad part is that even if you defy the odds and do DDR on BLM, you're still less effective than PCT, which is essentially an upgraded SMN that ignores rules around burst. I'm sure the justification is going to be something along the lines of 'but look at how many people like PCT!' when it really should be 'but look at all those longstanding players from other jobs who are just losing interest in the game.'

    I wonder what the job design team is doing at this point. It seems like we're getting radio silence on this.
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  2. #12
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    Zakuyia Shizyuie
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    Your right delete picto also can you delete every class from ff14 as well square. XD
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    You open the door theres nothing in sight. You close the door wondering whats in sight. But lets be honest its probably gonna just let you down.

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    Rithris Amaya
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    It's time we actually deleted existing job design and rework from the ground up something is clearly not right about current design.

    Picto stands out because its actually well designed and rewards people at the higher levels, almost like the job has a skill celling but isn't hard to pickup... I guess it does have some ultimate encounter issues but I feel this is more of a issue with in general class design.
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    Marcelloix Ostoiraint
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    Just Delete Picto Please

    first they begged please nerf picomancer then later they said please delete itand i say it keep it maybe twek it a little but to just remove it lmao this it a statement from a troll not worth the mods time time to clean out all the trolls again the necrobumping is out of control.
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  5. #15
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    Lyth's Avatar
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    Lythia Norvaine
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rithy255 View Post
    Picto stands out because its actually well designed
    Anytime that a job is overpowered, this rhetoric gets used to defend why. This came up in tank balance for years when WAR players were defending their turf.

    'Don't nerf X, it's actually well designed. Buff the other jobs into equality.' And coupled with a balance team that is afraid of giving offense through nerfs, you have a recipe for bad design.
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  6. #16
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    Rithris Amaya
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyth View Post
    Anytime that a job is overpowered, this rhetoric gets used to defend why. This came up in tank balance for years when WAR players were defending their turf.

    'Don't nerf X, it's actually well designed. Buff the other jobs into equality.' And coupled with a balance team that is afraid of giving offense through nerfs, you have a recipe for bad design.
    Difference is i never defended warrior as a good design. Infact ive complained about it's design for a long time, you do not understand that it can be true that Picto is overtuned but its design is also really good, while warrior is just bad.

    I actually much preferred 6.0-6.2 Paladin to current, I do not defend jobs because one is overperforming,Pictomancer is actually a fun I defend fun designs and uniqueness.

    I'm already not against small nerfs to how much it benefits from downtime but you got to be Really careful with not making Picto more closer to our current formular which encourages jobs to be designed very similar at the base level.

    Please do not categories me with people who defend things that are overpowered because you think I just like jobs being overpowered, I don't even raid at a high end level and do not care about "meta" I play what I find fun thank you.
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    Imagine wanting to eliminate the only well-designed class.
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    Kaeline Artelus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ggwppino View Post
    Imagine wanting to eliminate the only well-designed class.
    No, please don't delete RDM!
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  9. #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ggwppino View Post
    Imagine wanting to eliminate the only well-designed class.
    They already eliminated EW Black Mage though.
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  10. #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by Owyn_Addens View Post
    They already eliminated EW Black Mage though.
    yeah no more of that please revert EW black mage (flare star despair upgrade), doesn't mean picto needs to be deleted
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