How do I spend more than 1 hour doing content in this game?

[Supersnow845]

Arguing that ultimate constitutes content when the major prevailing argument (which you fully understand) is a lack of CASUAL repeatable content is just arguing technically true semantics for the purpose of diluting the actual argument

When raiders were understandably frustrated at the second ultimate of ShB being cancelled nobody argued “dungeons are content you can’t claim there is no content for raiders” because arguing pointless semantics benefits nobody

[ovIm]

Incorrect. I am arguing you cannot say the game doesn't get content, especially long lasting / evergreen content as that is objectively incorrect.

People should instead state, "When FFXIV releases long lasting content that could occupy me for a few months, I am actively choosing not to do it because I don't like that type of content." That would be actually true.

If people want to dismiss arguably 50% of the game released every major patch cycle while also claiming there isn't enough content, your argument really doesn't have weight.

Incorrect. You are saying that people should just play raids if they want combat content.

There are players that are stating the there is no content to do that they enjoy, and then people like you swoop in speaking of content from past patches or raids where people are asking for content that is not raids. It is you who is actively ignoring the issue at hand, which is a lack of variety of content that is not raids.

Arguing that ultimate constitutes content when the major prevailing argument (which you fully understand) is a lack of CASUAL repeatable content is just arguing technically true semantics for the purpose of diluting the actual argument

When raiders were understandably frustrated at the second ultimate of ShB being cancelled nobody argued “dungeons are content you can’t claim there is no content for raiders” because arguing pointless semantics benefits nobody

Louder for the people in the back, please.

[Havenchild]

Incorrect. You are saying that people should just play raids if they want combat content.

There are players that are stating the there is no content to do that they enjoy, and then people like you swoop in speaking of content from past patches or raids where people are asking for content that is not raids. It is you who is actively ignoring the issue at hand, which is a lack of variety of content that is not raids.

The irony about your comment is that literally the op is talking about gearing. For the short term memory people like yourself:

Seriously, I just hit my very miniscule 450 tomestone cap, I ran M4 once then got locked out of further rewards, I did the alliance raid for the first time today and now I have to wait before getting more rewards for that, as well. For a game that encourages doing everything on one character, why is it such a slog to gear ONE JOB?

Part of gearing IS doing savage content. If you don't want to do that, then you should unsub or wait patiently till you can slow grind your way to gearing. It's literally been this way for years now. It's stupid to make the argument that it takes long to gear, when you also don't seem to be an active raider.


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Incorrect. You are saying that people should just play raids if they want combat content.

There are players that are stating the there is no content to do that they enjoy, and then people like you swoop in speaking of content from past patches or raids where people are asking for content that is not raids. It is you who is actively ignoring the issue at hand, which is a lack of variety of content that is not raids.

My comment is towards those saying "There is no content to do in the game." "There is no long lasting content to engage with my sub right now" etc
That is objectively, again, untrue. There is long lasting content for this expansion, they just don't want to do it.

I'll even throw you a bone and say I agree with you that anyone that literally states "There is no content to do that I enjoy" is fine. There's nothing wrong with holding that sentiment.

[ovIm]

The irony about your comment is that literally the op is talking about gearing. For the short term memory people like yourself:

Need I remind you that this particular thread of discussion was spawned by you answering someone who was lamenting the fact that people only recommend old content, or savage raids which are not everyones cup of tea?

For the short term memory people like yourself:

The only thing that bothers me when those threads show up, is that absolutely no one has ever things to recommend at current content.

Everytime, people just say: "Go do this content of 10 years ago!" and I get it. It is relevant, it can be fun, but it is not fresh.

And this lack of "fresh" doesn't make it enticing. It is the formula o XIV, but it is an absolute bother of mine that you are meant to *not* spend time in the current new expansion you just bought.

Yeah, I don't do Ultimates.
At best, Extremes. I do not have people to do it, nor clear Savage since I -- again -- do not have people to do it. Nor I do Party Finder.
Also, tbqh...

If I am forced to do the same thing, for 2 months, with no actual option of variety?
I should just be playing MOBA or an Online Shooter at this point, same vibe.

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My comment is towards those saying "There is no content to do in the game." "There is no long lasting content to engage with my sub right now" etc
That is objectively, again, untrue. There is long lasting content for this expansion, they just don't want to do it.

I'll even throw you a bone and say I agree with you that anyone that literally states "There is no content to do that I enjoy" is fine. There's nothing wrong with holding that sentiment.

You are actively gaslighting yourself if you truly believe a 12 minute fight is enough to hold players attention on this game for over for 6 weeks, and then that unknown bit of experimental content is guaranteed to keep everyone engaged from january to april. None of that is truly "lasting" content smh.
The only guaranteed "lasting" content in 7.1 is the Ultimate, which can take groups weeks to months to prog, learn, and complete, and that kind of content is definitely not for everyone.
Not saying this content is bad, I am happy that raiders have this kind of content, but you have to admit that Ultimates is not something with widespread appeal.

[Havenchild]

Need I remind you that this particular thread of discussion was spawned by you answering someone who was lamenting the fact that people only recommend old content, or savage raids which are not everyones cup of tea?

For the short term memory people like yourself:

Ahh yes, the person complaining that there is no current content to do in this expansion, but also doesn't participate in the 50% of content every major patch cycle has?

The only thing that bothers me when those threads show up, is that absolutely no one has ever things to recommend at current content.

Everytime, people just say: "Go do this content of 10 years ago!" and I get it. It is relevant, it can be fun, but it is not fresh.

And this lack of "fresh" doesn't make it enticing. It is the formula o XIV, but it is an absolute bother of mine that you are meant to *not* spend time in the current new expansion you just bought.

Because often there is nothing to do. No gameplay, anywhere, only in older content to revisit.

Literally is actively saying they don't want to do older content, fair. But they are also stating that you aren't "meant" to spend time in the game with the current expansion WHILE ALSO stating they don't do the content that just released which actually takes time to complete.

And then we actively excuse these people on their preferences.

Again, you cannot state there is no time consuming content being released in the game WHILE ALSO saying you choose not to engage in the content that is time consuming. That is a direct and glaring contradiction.

[ovIm]

Ahh yes, the person complaining that there is no current content to do in this expansion, but also doesn't participate in the 50% of content every major patch cycle has?

Literally is actively saying they don't want to do older content, fair. But they are also stating that you aren't "meant" to spend time in the game with the current expansion WHILE ALSO stating they don't do the content that just released which actually takes time to complete.

And then we actively excuse these people on their preferences.

Again, you cannot state there is no time consuming content being released in the game WHILE ALSO saying you choose not to engage in the content that is time consuming. That is a direct and glaring contradiction.

You are, again, super conveniently ignoring the issue at hand that this person has been lamenting. Let me redirect you to a post a bit further up:

Arguing that ultimate constitutes content when the major prevailing argument (which you fully understand) is a lack of CASUAL repeatable content is just arguing technically true semantics for the purpose of diluting the actual argument

OMGJesuis66, who we are talking about does, according to their own post, at most, Extreme content.
What we got this patch so far was one Extreme, the 24 man, and the Ultimate.
If you are not into the Ultimate, then that is no real time consuming content. The Ex fight is a 12 minute fight after prog, and the endgoal of that is mount or 99 clears. The 24 man you run once a week.
However, if you want to gaslight yourself into thinking that is enough, then be my guest, I am done talking to a wall. :v:

[Supersnow845]

^i do a lot higher than extreme but I agree with your overall point

I’m just burnt out on savage and ultimate so I’m like a “temporary casual” because it’s been a while since I’ve had any interest in savage and up. But I have plenty of experience in it

[Havenchild]

That person does, at most, Extreme content.
What we got this patch so far was one Extreme, the 24 man, and the Ultimate.
If you are not into the Ultimate, then that is no real time consuming content. The Ex fight is a 12 minute fight after prog, and the endgoal of that is mount or 99 clears. The 24 man you run once a week.
However, if you want to gaslight yourself into thinking that is enough, then be my guest, I am done talking to a wall. :v:

The only guaranteed "lasting" content in 7.1 is the Ultimate, which can take groups weeks to months to prog, learn, and complete, and that kind of content is definitely not for everyone.
Not saying this content is bad, I am happy that raiders have this kind of content, but you have to admit that Ultimates is not something with widespread appeal.

Any content in this game has the appeal you allow it to. If I for example only considered Gold Saucer as "fun and engaging content" and actively stated there was no content being released in the game because Gold Saucer didn't get an update (which maybe gets an update every other major patch?), I should be dismissed for an objectively wrong opinion. If I choose to then avoid PVP, Hunts, Crafting, Island Sanctuary etc, how can I then make the argument the game has no content, in the current expansion, that is time consuming?

Savage / Ultimate are literally HALF if not sometimes more (in the case of this patch), of every major patch cycle in XIV. If you still choose to not do this content, then you are literally gimping your sub experience by half. That's a choice you are ACTIVELY making. We all agree on this.
This same argument I'm making can also be applied in the reverse. There are people who beat Savage and Ultimate Week 1, and then say the game has no content, while also being unwilling to engage in all other forms of content.

My point is simply, don't say the game doesn't have content in DT. Say the game doesn't have content YOU want to do. That's perfectly fine.

[Supersnow845]

I can’t wait for square enix to cancel every future raid in the game and tell raiders “there’s always dungeons” because apparently the nature of the content is irrelevant, it’s purely the fact that there IS some measure of content

Hell square could even save money by every patch adding a new achievement for 10,000 more fate completions than the last patch. Infinite content and zero input. Everyone is happy

[Connor]

I can’t wait for square enix to cancel every future raid in the game and tell raiders “there’s always dungeons” because apparently the nature of the content is irrelevant, it’s purely the fact that there IS some measure of content

Hell square could even save money by every patch adding a new achievement for 10,000 more fate completions than the last patch. Infinite content and zero input. Everyone is happy

‘I actually like doing Levequests, so if you haven’t obtained that 10,000,000 Gil from leves achievement then how dare you complain about there being no content!!!’

Or maybe different people value different things??? Lol. I’d have thought most people saying there is ‘no content’ are saying so with the implicit caveat of ‘that I personally value’, but apparently not. I mean, I like dressing my character up in cool glamours or decorating my house, but I’m not going to say that anyone who claims there’s no content is objectively wrong because they haven’t done the specific activities I undertook lol