Dawntrail character graphics update - opinions, requests and discussion megathread

[Kiara_Mela]

I've not seen anyone mention it yet, but Keeper of the Moon female face 3 used to have an area of freckles / redness across the upper cheeks and nose that I thought was really cute, and that's gone entirely with Dawntrail. The new face 3 has extremely "flat" skin with no texture or colour variation that tends to make it look like I'm wearing heavy makeup, especially combined with what they did to the eyes that made the mascara look significantly more pronounced (unclear how much this is the eyelashes vs the change to eye shape?). This has been by far the most significant change for me, in terms of how my character feels, and I really hope it can be fixed. I miss my cute freckles!


(face 3, jaw 3, eye 6, eyebrow 2, nose 3, mouth 3)

My face stripes are also pulled back a little and fade out on the end, which I dislike for reasons similar to disliking the attempt to reduce the cute fangs. I'm a cat, my cat features should be front and center, y'know? Like the freckles / skin texture variation, they add character.

All of the above contributes to a sense of my face being physically flatter -- I can't tell whether this is an actual geometry change or just there being a lot less shading and variation highlighting facial contours.

My face also feels rounder, but while there's been a small geometry change there, most of the effect there comes from the lighting no longer casting shadows on my jaw in the same way, making it look significantly rounder from the front. This seems like probably the same underlying issues as the face flatness thing.

I don't super love the eye shape changes or the lil mouth dimples, but plenty of others have gone into the issues there already.

Also you can't tell in the aetherial sea lighting above, but my hair colour used to have an orange tint to it under most lighting conditions, but is now chocolate brown. It doesn't seem possible to get closer than this to the colour I used to have, unfortunately.

On a positive note, the high resolution hair texture is really nice, it looks a lot better than the old one.

7.1 unfortunately did not fix anything for my face . It seems like they didn't actually touch it at all in 7.1? Below is 7.0 vs 7.1:



I hope SE is still paying attention to this thread, I would really like my old face back.

[Windfire]

Ugh seeing your old vs new really highlights how stupid thick they made a lot of the eyelids /unintelligibleragesounds

[Iakobos]

Speaking of lips, why do males' have to have darker colouring than females'? I inputted Arya Gastaurknan's N. P. C. data for Johannes, and he now looks like he is either wearing burgundy lipstick, or, has the "Hapsburg Jaw." I am somewhat parial to his Dawntrail appearance, but I miss his Endwalker mouth. The teenager's lips are supposed to be naturally glossy, not slapped on like Mrs. Potato Head's.

[shinjyu]

hi. I'm play ffxiv in global server and korea server. so might my english is bad. but please read this until the end. I really appreciate that. Thank you.

hi guys, I came back. most of my KOR roegadyn player friends quite satisfied by 7.1 graphic, but I couldn't. because SE didn't change anything about femroe face 1.... (escept philtrum and eyebrow twitching bug...(but it seems slightly left when you change the face emote))

and I don't know why, but she look even worse than before.

Recently, KOR server's update cycle is moved forward than I espected. (December 3rd) It's really good news for most of korean player, but it's make me scared cuz I CAN NOT play DT with this face.... her new face always let me down when I see it.

before DT update in KOR sever, I downloaded EW benchmark for references and saved every her face emot, screenshots of various angles. I hope this is enough.

maybe this is last post until another graphic update. (I hope it's 7.2 or before)

I'm too exhausted to make another reference images, but I should. I coudn't see other player, who saying opinion for femroe face 1 like me...

here we go again. (ugh... *sigh)

Thanks to my besty, I found another differences of my WoL face.
























her cheek is bigger in DT, and every changing of her eye, nose, lips are breaking her face's balance. and chaned eyeshape is make she look dozing but pupil's highlight is brighther and bigger than before. That cause awkward feeling.

I could guess easely where she is looking in EW but in DT, I should be gusee 2 or 3 times to guessing where she is eye contecting. Maybe darker pupil's shadows and many highlights are cause that.

as I said before(at the quote), her eyes are round and smaller, nose is narrow, lips are thinner, eyebrows are faded and have different shape. even her mole are bigger than before! Only similer thing is her race tatoo in the middle of her forehead. (her tatoos on cheeks are also broken )

It took more than 5 hours to make these images and break the language barrior with translator.

Could I recive the reward? I wish.








P.S. Attached images : WoL dolls of me and my besty that I submitted to the Korea Fan Festival. I finished it. *wink. wink.
(I wanted to brag about it haha)

[SchwarzwaelderTorte]

Recently, KOR server's update cycle is moved forward than I espected. (December 3rd) It's really good news for most of korean player, but it's make me scared cuz I CAN NOT play DT with this face.... her new face always let me down when I see it.

Hi! Do you know where Korean players have been talking about the graphical update?
I see that there's a 자유 게시판 on ff14.co.kr but when I search for 벤치마크 or 그래픽 업데이트 or 그래픽 I can't find anything... (maybe I'm using the wrong words?)
I've seen a few posts on Twitter/X from Korean people who play on international servers, but I would like to see what the reaction will be when 7.0 comes out on December 3rd.
Thanks in advance!

[shinjyu]

Hi! Do you know where Korean players have been talking about the graphical update?
I see that there's a 자유 게시판 on ff14.co.kr but when I search for 벤치마크 or 그래픽 업데이트 or 그래픽 I can't find anything... (maybe I'm using the wrong words?)

thanks for question. you uesd right words! but most of twitter/X posts of korean's reaction about DT graphic updates are compliment. I have another friends who playing both internatuional server and KOR server and they didn't have any opinion or just give up to showing their complaint. and we can not easely get international server's information or playthrough because of language barrior.

and yeah. korea server have general discussion page (which is 자유 게시판). but it's not activate like forums. most recent post about "graphic / 그래픽" is 2021-Nov-4th and post about "DT / 황금 (word as gold. KOR server translate DAWNTRAIL as "legacy of gold" like japanese)" is only have 3 post in this year. that's why I thought not easy to gaining their opinion or complaint quickly and choose way to directly saying my opinion to Forums. maybe I just couldn't find other player in my online area, who have a discussion about DT graphic update. But I will keep searching people who have opinion like me.

[SchwarzwaelderTorte]

I see, thank you!
Maybe people will have a stronger reaction once 7.0 is released.
For example, I saw that in China there was an official feedback thread before the release of 7.0, so people have been talking a lot about the benchmark there. But a lot of the reactions started after the release, when they were able to see their character moving and how the lighting and facial animations changed. Of course, there were many positive reactions too, but there were definitely people who were surprised by the new graphics and were very loud about it.

When 7.0 was released in China, I was wondering if some of the changes that were asked by international players would be implemented before 7.1, but it seemed to be exactly the same as the international release of 7.0. So I think Korea will have the same feedback as China and the international servers regarding things like the very pronounced philtrum, Au ra limbal rings and horns, and the hair glowing up in strange ways under certain conditions (which have all been adjusted in 7.1).
It's a strange situation where China and Korea are already looking at what will happen in the future (7.1 and 7.2) but they still get the bugs and defects from 7.0...

And as you said, the adjustments made to faces in 7.1 are not as thorough as everyone had hoped, so now we have to wait for 7.2 in several months to see if there will be more progress... (+ a few more months for China + a few more months for Korea...)

[shinjyu]

It's a strange situation where China and Korea are already looking at what will happen in the future (7.1 and 7.2) but they still get the bugs and defects from 7.0...

And as you said, the adjustments made to faces in 7.1 are not as thorough as everyone had hoped, so now we have to wait for 7.2 in several months to see if there will be more progress... (+ a few more months for China + a few more months for Korea...)

yeah I totally agree with you... and I wonder 7.1 graphics apply to KOR server at 7.0 or not. We usually apply X.1 job balance to X.0 patch.

but this is first graphic update of FFXIV and our update cycle also moving forward. so it's maybe, or maybe not.

There's no other way, I just wait until KOR server's DT update, with fear

I hope many korean players say their opinion about graphic update like chinese players did.

[Ath192]

thanks for question. you uesd right words! but most of twitter/X posts of korean's reaction about DT graphic updates are compliment.

Not surprising. The graphics update was needed badly. And despite most complaints here it is a massive improvement for the game.

[Larirawiel]

The facial shadow maps and normal maps are still completely broken in this patch. :/



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