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    I have to admit that I didn't see this one coming. It's so wild on so many levels... Are you trying to tell me how I should feel and enjoy the game at any point of my playtime history better than I can? This is rich. Anyway, i'll indulge:

    Quote Originally Posted by TomsYoungerBro View Post
    If you have the exact same opinion as OP on the post I replied to, then this game was never for you.
    Since when do you play this game?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    What part of having different warrants, concerns , and preferences from the OP would imply an opinion identical to the OP's? Mere disagreement with some of your points does not necessitate a monolith.
    This is a really weird reply, considering Valence said I was dismissing all vets that used to play a different game, when that is factually not what I said. They did not disagree with "some of my points" in relation to my reply to OP's comment later in the thread. All i can really do is ask if you even read the comments lmao.



    Quote Originally Posted by Valence View Post
    Are you trying to tell me how I should feel and enjoy the game at any point of my playtime history better than I can?
    Since when do you play this game?
    That isn't what I said at all actually. Again, your reading comprehension is terrible (as i've noticed in other threads). And i'm playing this game right now .
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomsYoungerBro View Post
    This is a really weird reply, considering Valence said I was dismissing all vets that used to play a different game, when that is factually not what I said. They did not disagree with "some of my points" in relation to my reply to OP's comment later in the thread. All i can really do is ask if you even read the comments lmao.

    I had, yes:


    Quote Originally Posted by Kandraxx View Post
    In WoW you have skills that all stand alone and have a meaningful impact on their own. Rotations do exist but the skills still live on their own. In 14 this kind of satisfaction is completely missing.

    In WoW the devs gave you the skills and said do whatever you want with them, be creative, think outside the box. In FF14 they give you skills and instructions on how to use them if not outright enforcing a hardcoded rotation. There's no outside the box thinking because the box has very clear and narrow boundaries.
    Quote Originally Posted by TomsYoungerBro View Post
    The only core problem here is that you don't like this game at a fundamental level... at its core this is not the game for you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Valence View Post
    Thanks for dismissing all the vets that used to play a different game. I understand and came to the conclusion that yes, the pve in this game isn't for me anymore, but telling us to go fuck off is really uncalled for.
    Quote Originally Posted by TomsYoungerBro View Post
    If you have the exact same opinion as OP on the post I replied to, then this game was never for you.
    By reducing a preference for abilities to have separate usability as saying that, to the person you were replying to, having 1 button would be identical to 50, (truly, not just in terms of complexity as they, personally, would appreciate it), your reply seemed ill-fit to what you had quoted.

    Edit: using stronger font for what is apparently easily missed.
    Yes, action count was mentioned, including with intentional hyperbole. It was also very clearly not the main point, which was instead that buttons feel better to her when they have actual reason to be separate buttons. I.e., between 24 keys for 24 separable actions and 30 keys for 20 separable actions, the one with higher action --not button-- count would better fit her preferences.

    Being that ill-fit a reply to a mention of some other game, it can easily come off as typical "Eww, reference to enjoying <some other MMO>. Get out of here" off-hand dismissal.
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    That appears to also to be how it seemed to Valance, who pointed out that they similarly used to enjoy the game, but changes have since made it much less of what she's looking for, and that having preferences like those the first poster described does not mean the game "is not for them".

    Given that Valence very clearly implied enjoying the gameplay in the past, and (known to those who've actually been playing a while) the game started with a far higher portion of separately usable weaponskills, "never" seems a bizarre take.

    That would rely on the player in question having deluded themselves that they liked the game and that only stopping... the moment the same changes they disliked occurred, rather than their just... not liking those changes.

    Which, I noted, seems odd.

    Does that clarify things sufficiently for you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    snip
    You seem to have forgetten a big chunk of the quote:

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandraxx View Post
    SE is aware of that, but they know that they would have to redo the entire game to fix this, so they try to add makeshift complexity by means of combos and piling up on skills and introducing the idea of 'button misclick' as a major PvE mechanic. How many ''deliver XXX potency damage for the first target, and XX% less for all remaining enemies, can be used when/after" buttons do you actually want on your job? It doesn't make the game any more interesting at all. It doesn't matter if you press 10 buttons to reduce an enemy that has no mechanics to zero health, or 50. How many times/hr do you want to press 1-2-3, while pretending that it is a high form of MMO gameplay that is to be preserved. MMOs specifically invented the auto-attack, so players wouldn't have to do that.
    Like i said, you didnt read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomsYoungerBro View Post
    your reading comprehension is terrible (as i've noticed in other threads). And i'm playing this game right now .
    Keep digging and dodging. Your ignorance is only just showing more at every clueless reply you type.
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    Last edited by Valence; 11-24-2024 at 07:42 PM.