Still no auto-combo for 123 on old jobs.

[GoatOfWar]

It's bad players trying to remove as much friction as possible so they can parse high.

[Absurdity]

It's bad players trying to remove as much friction as possible so they can parse high.

You pretty much explained every change since 5.0

[poooman]

anyways im in support of less buttons because i don't really want carpal tunnel coming for me any faster

[Rithy255]

Ah yes, i love those new buttons we got on Drk and Drg after they removed so much shit.
We lost 3-5 buttons, but hey! You now get to press a button you were already pressing 1 (one) additional time.
I've just given up on this game lol. Everything is being dumbed down until all that's left is 123 and then people will still want that consolidated into 1 button.
I'm kinda just waiting for my sub time to run out at this point. This community thinks every sort of gameplay friction is bad until everything is completely braindead and unengaging.
If there's no mastery to the gameplay, i don't really think this game has much to offer for people who want to play long term.

Well I don't really know how to even argue back because it's not like i don't fully disagree with you, I do think jobs need friction and way more nuances, I personally don't want forced Auto combo but I'm fine with it being optional because I know I'll not be using it lol. I'm against recent dragoon, ninja changes, Dark knight 7.0 was disappointing, I preferred paladin in 6.2 I'm the type of person to complain about recent gameplay changes and have for a long time lol.

When i say "more buttons" I mean more actual substantial buttons (not ones you press once every 60s or 120s for burst), I'd love more then one generic combo path on tanks, more ocgds that aren't just tied to burst, more procs (honestly ff14 misses a lot with basically only having one proc based job).

I don't know why you'd assume my sentence is asking for 1, 1, 1 spam and like 1 or 2 burst buttons tbh, the reason why I said it should be Optional is because I wouldn't want a 1, 1, 1 rotation, hence adding more buttons would enhance my gameplay experience because I do not care if someone else wants to just press 1 button or not.

[BigCheez]

anyways im in support of less buttons because i don't really want carpal tunnel coming for me any faster

Pressing 1 button every 2.5 seconds is no different from pressing a different button every 2.5 seconds in this regard.

[Absurdity]

Pressing 1 button every 2.5 seconds is no different from pressing a different button every 2.5 seconds in this regard.

Unless you have a terrible hotkey setup and need to play piano for your rotation.

[GoatOfWar]

Well I don't really know how to even argue back because it's not like i don't fully disagree with you, I do think jobs need friction and way more nuances, I personally don't want forced Auto combo but I'm fine with it being optional because I know I'll not be using it lol. I'm against recent dragoon, ninja changes, Dark knight 7.0 was disappointing, I preferred paladin in 6.2 I'm the type of person to complain about recent gameplay changes and have for a long time lol.

When i say "more buttons" I mean more actual substantial buttons (not ones you press once every 60s or 120s for burst), I'd love more then one generic combo path on tanks, more ocgds that aren't just tied to burst, more procs (honestly ff14 misses a lot with basically only having one proc based job).

I don't know why you'd assume my sentence is asking for 1, 1, 1 spam and like 1 or 2 burst buttons tbh, the reason why I said it should be Optional is because I wouldn't want a 1, 1, 1 rotation, hence adding more buttons would enhance my gameplay experience because I do not care if someone else wants to just press 1 button or not.

But if you know they won't deliver those meaningful new buttons, why would you advocate for the removal of the buttons we still have when you know that's something they'll actually do.
The end result is just less interesting gameplay. You KNOW that they'll consolidate the GCD combo into the same braindead 1111111111111111 spam that healers have if people keep asking for it. Because they have a trackrecord of oversimplifying the game. And that they won't give us new buttons to press, because they hardly ever do. All you're doing when you're asking for consolidation of buttons to ''make room for new buttons'', is contributing to the oversimplification of the game. They don't give us new buttons.

[Valence]

It goes without saying that condensing combos would have to come with new buttons that interact nicely with the kit and bring engaging gameplay... Else no thanks? Everyone agrees with this?

[Rithy255]

But if you know they won't deliver those meaningful new buttons, why would you advocate for the removal of the buttons we still have when you know that's something they'll actually do.
The end result is just less interesting gameplay. You KNOW that they'll consolidate the GCD combo into the same braindead 1111111111111111 spam that healers have if people keep asking for it. Because they have a trackrecord of oversimplifying the game. And that they won't give us new buttons to press, because they hardly ever do. All you're doing when you're asking for consolidation of buttons to ''make room for new buttons'', is contributing to the oversimplification of the game. They don't give us new buttons.

Your acting like I'm a massive advocate for auto combo, I just started my opinion that if they add auto combo I rather they actually make the jobs more interesting and make it optional so it doesn't affect me.

I'm sure your right that they are likely not going to make jobs interesting, but to me things can't really get any lower then current job design anyway, I guess if they forced us to use auto combo then sure, but the bar is already so low... We need to be asking for change in jobs as the current design is just more boring shadowbringers, If we fear change constantly things will never get better also.

[ExESGO]

Me as a samurai main wonder how they'd even consolidate that. Either we end up all extremely suboptimal or they adjust the numbers to let it be brain dead.