So what exactly is there to Do this patch?

[Renaclock]

That’s what I’m saying if people actually unsubbed at the rate you are suggesting they do then the game would collapse because you’d enter into a vicious downward cycle of reduced playerbase in lulls making the experience for the remaining players worse. Say you wanted to do eureka, you’d have a far worse time doing it if all the vets who keep it alive simply because they have nothing to do are unsubbed 9 months out of 12, then you get angry and queue for the roulettes…….which have no players to fill them because nobody is playing

As much as yoshi p likes to say unsub when you don’t want to play this game is built on the assumption that people won’t unsub because if they do it stops the cycle of people making the game fun for newer players and the more time the vets are unsubbed the less likely they are to return

I don't think that many ppl are subbed and don't play the game atall.
Most ppl I know finds something to do like old content or challenging contents like solo deepdungeons,ultimates or RP/hangout with friends etc.
Ppl already unsub if they really don't have anything to do in the game like some of my friends

[Supersnow845]

I don't think that many ppl are subbed and don't play the game atall.
Most ppl I know finds something to do like old content or challenging contents like solo deepdungeons,ultimates or RP/hangout with friends etc.
Ppl already unsub if they really don't have anything to do in the game like some of my friends

Yeah so those people are basically just filling their time with stuff they have already done to fill time. They are likely also the people who are complaining a lot about the lack of content, they would be the people unsubbing if this hypothetical scenario

People aren’t “playing the game” they are “clinging to the game” and that’s the entire issue

[Hyperia]

Hell for healers it’s useless even if you didn’t do savage because it’s chock full of piety right in a patch where they reduce the cost of spells because they think healers are struggling with mana

As it is now, I can endlessly spam Holy and watch my mana go back to full before I recast. I don’t think I can run out of mana now in any normal gameplay. Heck, even in a wipe recovery, still can’t run out of mana.

[Drimn]

That’s what I’m saying if people actually unsubbed at the rate you are suggesting they do then the game would collapse because you’d enter into a vicious downward cycle of reduced playerbase in lulls making the experience for the remaining players worse. Say you wanted to do eureka, you’d have a far worse time doing it if all the vets who keep it alive simply because they have nothing to do are unsubbed 9 months out of 12, then you get angry and queue for the roulettes…….which have no players to fill them because nobody is playing

As much as yoshi p likes to say unsub when you don’t want to play this game is built on the assumption that people won’t unsub because if they do it stops the cycle of people making the game fun for newer players and the more time the vets are unsubbed the less likely they are to return

If the census numbers are to be believed, it's not the veterans unsubbing. Level 100 numbers have held fairly steady since DT launch while new player count has plummeted.

[Renaclock]

Yeah so those people are basically just filling their time with stuff they have already done to fill time. They are likely also the people who are complaining a lot about the lack of content, they would be the people unsubbing if this hypothetical scenario

People aren’t “playing the game” they are “clinging to the game” and that’s the entire issue

what?
People are doing what they enjoy.
Many content in the game is replayable so doing that is not clinging to the game,they are playing it.
People aren't robots they don't waste their time on something they don't enjoy.
I don't know why you have to see everything in negative view.
"they would be the people unsubbing if this hypothetical scenario" why? if they are doing something in the game,that means theres stuff they want to do.
It doesn't makes sense for them to unsub.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

I pruned my sub back to the bare minimum again. No need of extra retainers rn.

There needs to be more on these early patches. And overall I'm a bit tired of feeling like we are just covering SE's financial f ups and getting no return for it in the game we are paying for. I mean the team is now working on yet more unannounced projects so they are split focus again.

[Rithy255]

I might do the new Extreme? didn't really try m4s much so i might go back and do that, the other three were fun and stuff. I did the alliance raid once, likely not again, the upcoming savage alliance raid doesn't sound like something for me as I do not like 24 man content

I Mostly just use this game as a social sim at this point... Most patches to me feel pretty empty unless you have raid plans.

[TomsYoungerBro]

what?
People are doing what they enjoy.
Many content in the game is replayable so doing that is not clinging to the game,they are playing it.
People aren't robots they don't waste their time on something they don't enjoy.
I don't know why you have to see everything in negative view.
"they would be the people unsubbing if this hypothetical scenario" why? if they are doing something in the game,that means theres stuff they want to do.
It doesn't makes sense for them to unsub.

To play the game even for 5 minutes, it requires a sub for the month. If a person spends a few hours a week doing their weeklies and logs off, they are still subbed and doing only what they want to do. Is a few hours a week really worth a 15 dollar subscription + an upfront purchase for each expansion (with also a mogstore)? Maybe they keep the subscription because they have a house, some of those weeklies are in a static which they feel obligated to continue, and/or they are simply clinging to the game (i.e. sunk cost fallacy) similar to what Supersnow said. There are a variety of reasons someone would want to cling to subbing to a MMO that they don't feel is worth the money right now. Its a staple of the genre TBH.

[Raim]

what?
People are doing what they enjoy.
Many content in the game is replayable so doing that is not clinging to the game,they are playing it.
People aren't robots they don't waste their time on something they don't enjoy.
I don't know why you have to see everything in negative view.
"they would be the people unsubbing if this hypothetical scenario" why? if they are doing something in the game,that means theres stuff they want to do.
It doesn't makes sense for them to unsub.

There are tons of people I know who literally only stay subbed to keep their housing plots. I would describe that as clinging to the game. They don't want to actively play it, but they fear that one day if the game gets better again or more content, they will wish they had kept their plots which will otherwise become impossible to acquire on most servers.

[Somnolence]

There are tons of people I know who literally only stay subbed to keep their housing plots. I would describe that as clinging to the game. They don't want to actively play it, but they fear that one day if the game gets better again or more content, they will wish they had kept their plots which will otherwise become impossible to acquire on most servers.

House demolition keeping ppl subbed is precisely why we will never get instanced housing