7.1 - Jobs, meet sandpaper

[Absurdity]

SE hears the "players will optimise fun out of the game if you let them" and seemed to have concluded they must optimise the fun out for the players in their stead.

Now go!
Enjoy your tanks that are all 95% the same, lest the 0.001% of crazy raiders kick you for playing Paladin.

Which funnily enough still hasn't been solved. They all play 95% the same but Gunbreaker and especially Dark Knight perform significantly better in both rDPS and aDPS than Warrior or Paladin, the single exception being M4S where Paladin's range helps with the heavy melee downtime, and after this patch the gap is going to be even wider.

[BigCheez]

Which funnily enough still hasn't been solved. They all play 95% the same but Gunbreaker and especially Dark Knight perform significantly better in both rDPS and aDPS than Warrior or Paladin, the single exception being M4S where Paladin's range helps with the heavy melee downtime, and after this patch the gap is going to be even wider.

PLD and GNB had near identical damage output in M4S due to how well PLD handles the downtime.

The fix here is not to bring tank damage in line. The fix is to make GNB and DRK's damage rotations more interesting and complex, with more room for optimisation, so that the difference in damage output is warranted.

If we're going to make all the tank jobs 123 spend with identical damage output, we might as well just make 1 job called "tank" and WAR, PLD, GNB and DRK are just skins that you buy on Mogstation.

[Eraden]

Mao sad. Changes to BLMs only reinforcings Mao conclusion that SE gonna go full steams ahead with DDR fights and simplifyings jobs. Mao feels for everyone else here whats also upset with changes. Mao hopings that people whats still playing FFXIV after Mao leaves will still has funs, even if game changing into something whats looking less and less like traditional fantasy role playing game and more and more like combats DDR. Is just nots for Mao though. On happy note, Mao been playings Dragon in WoW and Mao been havings blast! Mao gets to barf fires on everythings!

[Daralii]

PLD and GNB had near identical damage output in M4S due to how well PLD handles the downtime.

The fix here is not to bring tank damage in line. The fix is to make GNB and DRK's damage rotations more interesting and complex, with more room for optimisation, so that the difference in damage output is warranted.

If we're going to make all the tank jobs 123 spend with identical damage output, we might as well just make 1 job called "tank" and WAR, PLD, GNB and DRK are just skins that you buy on Mogstation.

Their answer was instead to simplify the burst phases for GNB and DRK in 7.0, and they've now simplified GNB's again.

[BigCheez]

Their answer was instead to simplify the burst phases for GNB and DRK in 7.0, and they've now simplified GNB's again.

Yeah, if we could not do that; that would be cool.

[Supersnow845]

Sacking your damage to cast redundant heals/DoTs is not a workaround. Even if you're clipping to heal, it makes more sense to just spam Holy.

Using a lily to open up weave space was the entire point of the ShB lily system. It’s better to use a lily to open up weave space for things lily assize than it is to clip assize

Well at least it was before this change

Lily’s purpose is weave tools, well at least it was

[BigCheez]

Using a lily to open up weave space was the entire point of the ShB lily system. It’s better to use a lily to open up weave space for things lily assize than it is to clip assize

Well at least it was before this change

Lily’s purpose is weave tools, well at least it was

That might have been the intention but in practice it's a DPS loss to cast an Afflatus heal in place of Holy, given that you can dump lilies out of combat and still get your Afflatus Misery off on the next pack.

You also don't need to weave heals when you've already cast an Afflatus heal. I'm not going to cast Afflatus Solace so that I can weave Benediction, am I?

[Alice_Rivers]

Why would you play a healer if you care THAT much about dps loss?

[Supersnow845]

That might have been the intention but in practice it's a DPS loss to cast an Afflatus heal in place of Holy, given that you can dump lilies out of combat and still get your Afflatus Misery off on the next pack.

An encounter with trash packs is usually long enough you need to dump at least one lily in uptime if not two. The distribution of uptime vs downtime in a normal dungeon run meant you couldn’t use only downtime lilys. The system was a coordinated use for uptime lilys and is also why it worked better before misery was DPS neutral in single target

[BigCheez]

Why would you play a healer if you care THAT much about dps loss?

All jobs are DPS jobs in XIV. The gap between a good and bad healer in XIV is near identical to the gap between a good and bad DPS player in terms of raw DPS.