Failing to address multiplayer in PVP is a mistake

[Atreus]

We had team ranked back in the day for Feast and it ended for reasons described already on this thread. That being said, if they intend to consolidate the ranked queues together per datacenter, I could see an argument for it coming back. They would need to implement designated queue windows, though, and not allow 24/7 queuing.

Ranked CC should obviously stay solo. Casual CC could do with at least a duo queue.

Frontline is the real victim of this disease. Taking away 8-mans was a gross overkill solution to a problem that involved the 8v8v8 games that happened because there weren't enough of a Grand Company. All they needed to do was implement forced freelancer for everyone (which they did) and abolish anything that isn't 24v24v24 (which they also did).

[Valence]

I swear to god people don't even read the 'other side' of the argument. Nobody wants a 5 stack premade stomping 5 solo players. That is so obviously a terrible idea it amazes me people think this is what is requested. Literally no game with PVP would do this, can we stop already.

If a duo is in the match, the matchmaker puts a duo on the other team. Literally perfectly balanced and duo q is implemented. Job done. How is this so hard to comprehend?

This is far from the only time this has cropped up on those forums, but usually it stays in the pvp subsection. People do not want to comprehend it and it keeps being brought up again and again like a scarecrow that nobody actually wants. They're usually more interested into drawing walls between different types of players by implementing different queues and modes so they don't have to deal with them at all, which is the true crux of the matter. They do not want to deal with "sweaty players", period. They want them out of the picture on their end of the monitor.

We had team ranked back in the day for Feast and it ended for reasons described already on this thread. That being said, if they intend to consolidate the ranked queues together per datacenter, I could see an argument for it coming back. They would need to implement designated queue windows, though, and not allow 24/7 queuing.

Ranked CC should obviously stay solo. Casual CC could do with at least a duo queue.

Frontline is the real victim of this disease. Taking away 8-mans was a gross overkill solution to a problem that involved the 8v8v8 games that happened because there weren't enough of a Grand Company. All they needed to do was implement forced freelancer for everyone (which they did) and abolish anything that isn't 24v24v24 (which they also did).

I agree with you on CC, but having actually played through the 8 NIN premades in 24v24v24 FLs, I can safely say that I do not miss those days at all. But I mean, if their balance was more on point, perhaps we would stop pointing fingers at premades instead of comp abuses.

[Atreus]

I agree with you on CC, but having actually played through the 8 NIN premades in 24v24v24 FLs, I can safely say that I do not miss those days at all. But I mean, if their balance was more on point, perhaps we would stop pointing fingers at premades instead of comp abuses.

That can't keep being the players' problem. SE's failure to balance shouldn't lead to limitations on the players.