Failing to address multiplayer in PVP is a mistake

[Ath192]

This is legit such a frustration of mine. I have 3 friends who would instantly resub if we could duo queue even.

Every competitive esport allows duo q and group play. These are social games. Nobody thinks LoL, DotA, Fortnite, Apex Legends, etc. etc. are not competitive because this whole 'premade instawin' argument is pure garbage.

If a match has a duo pair in, there must be a duo pair in the other team. It is literally that simple! Suddenly, no more balance issues. No need to split queues, the community can't handle it in ranked, just ensure any duo pairs have an equal number on the opposing team. Job done.

It is a 100% player-driven mode that hilariously is the most solo and lonely experience in the game, is that not just maddeningly stupid?

And as a final point regarding competitive integrity. There is already rampant wintrading, hacking, and people jumping into discord to coordinate when matches start anyway. SE don't seem to care about that hurting the competitive environment. They just care about letting you play with your mates.

Yep, exactly this. and it's not like teams don't coordinate already without needing to even talk... It doesn't take a genius to figure out if you're a DRG with LB and the DNC on your team has his up to wait for them to pop it so you can kill a group of people. People are here pretending talking is going to make that much of difference.

We already have people focus firing others in PVP by simply marking them a "1". Coordination already exists.

[Atreus]

We had team ranked back in the day for Feast and it ended for reasons described already on this thread. That being said, if they intend to consolidate the ranked queues together per datacenter, I could see an argument for it coming back. They would need to implement designated queue windows, though, and not allow 24/7 queuing.

Ranked CC should obviously stay solo. Casual CC could do with at least a duo queue.

Frontline is the real victim of this disease. Taking away 8-mans was a gross overkill solution to a problem that involved the 8v8v8 games that happened because there weren't enough of a Grand Company. All they needed to do was implement forced freelancer for everyone (which they did) and abolish anything that isn't 24v24v24 (which they also did).

[Valence]

I swear to god people don't even read the 'other side' of the argument. Nobody wants a 5 stack premade stomping 5 solo players. That is so obviously a terrible idea it amazes me people think this is what is requested. Literally no game with PVP would do this, can we stop already.

If a duo is in the match, the matchmaker puts a duo on the other team. Literally perfectly balanced and duo q is implemented. Job done. How is this so hard to comprehend?

This is far from the only time this has cropped up on those forums, but usually it stays in the pvp subsection. People do not want to comprehend it and it keeps being brought up again and again like a scarecrow that nobody actually wants. They're usually more interested into drawing walls between different types of players by implementing different queues and modes so they don't have to deal with them at all, which is the true crux of the matter. They do not want to deal with "sweaty players", period. They want them out of the picture on their end of the monitor.

We had team ranked back in the day for Feast and it ended for reasons described already on this thread. That being said, if they intend to consolidate the ranked queues together per datacenter, I could see an argument for it coming back. They would need to implement designated queue windows, though, and not allow 24/7 queuing.

Ranked CC should obviously stay solo. Casual CC could do with at least a duo queue.

Frontline is the real victim of this disease. Taking away 8-mans was a gross overkill solution to a problem that involved the 8v8v8 games that happened because there weren't enough of a Grand Company. All they needed to do was implement forced freelancer for everyone (which they did) and abolish anything that isn't 24v24v24 (which they also did).

I agree with you on CC, but having actually played through the 8 NIN premades in 24v24v24 FLs, I can safely say that I do not miss those days at all. But I mean, if their balance was more on point, perhaps we would stop pointing fingers at premades instead of comp abuses.

[Atreus]

I agree with you on CC, but having actually played through the 8 NIN premades in 24v24v24 FLs, I can safely say that I do not miss those days at all. But I mean, if their balance was more on point, perhaps we would stop pointing fingers at premades instead of comp abuses.

That can't keep being the players' problem. SE's failure to balance shouldn't lead to limitations on the players.

[Bonoki]

The only viable middle-ground solution I can see is allowing friends to queue up together, but with a reduction in the rewards earned based on the number of players in the premade group. For each additional friend in the group, rewards like Wolf Marks, PvP XP, Series XP, and leveling XP could be reduced by 10%.

[Mistress_Irika]

The only viable middle-ground solution I can see is allowing friends to queue up together, but with a reduction in the rewards earned based on the number of players in the premade group. For each additional friend in the group, rewards like Wolf Marks, PvP XP, Series XP, and leveling XP could be reduced by 10%.

I'm definitely not sure why we're incentivizing others to not queue together. Me? I personally wouldn't care since I don't play for rewards to begin with. My duo and I can have a real challenge. The other small group of people that has the priority of maximizing their XP for the day? They're queue syncing instead of having to deal with this. Just take a chance and create a separate queue for those that wants to play together. It won't hurt those that wants to play solo.

Someone in a different thread asked about the accuracy of the small guide on crystal conflict, and I'll stand by my word that the guide sums up the entire experience of CC simply because of how queues are set up. I know that isn't true. I know that there's more to offer than just that. However, unless you're consistently playing in platnium/diamond rooms at minimum and/or you're one of the very few people that plays CC with 9 other people that is the overall experience that you're going to get for CC. Everyone is in the solo queue mindset. Kill whoever you think is important at the time, perma push crystal, and worry about your own survival. Everyone is looking to be the carry, and they'll use you as a shield if they have to. In short: you're on your own. You'll be lucky enough if you got someone that called out who they're pressuring and even luckier if they do countdowns, something that's often done in high rank and premades. Good luck consistently getting that in casual games.

[SieyaM]

I feel it's a little disingenuous to compare PvP that is part of a much larger MMO game to another game whose sole purpose is the PvP experience.

[Ath192]

I feel it's a little disingenuous to compare PvP that is part of a much larger MMO game to another game whose sole purpose is the PvP experience.

Is it? Can you elaborate on what is disingenuous about asking for a feature other pure PVP games have in this game? It's not like damage, abilities, or any other system in use in PVP is shared with the PVE side of the game. Literally PVP systems and abilities do not affect anything outside of its own sphere.

We can also see clear influences of pure PVP games in the PVP mode in this game, so it makes for a compelling argument to draw from those very games the multiplayer feature of "playing with friends" to an MMO, a game that is supposed to be the most social genre of games in the gaming industry.

[Valence]

This is why you don't have a system that puts premades in front of a group of solo players. Period. They'll sit in the queue until they get their match in the opposite team. Although to be honest, duos are just duos, especially in casual. So many other variables swing in all kinds of ways in this mode...

[Dirwen]

I solo queue into pvp so no thx on team queue its unfair to me unless they get a separate mode.