Dawntrail character graphics update - opinions, requests and discussion megathread

[Doopliss]

Tbh I think that's exactly why they didn't. People who don't notice won't notice. No spotlight, less backlash.

The more rational part of me does think you're definitely right.

Unfortunately my anxiety keeps making me go back and forth... At the same time I keep feeling like showing us literally nothing reeks of a lack of confidence and dishonesty. Also at the same time, though, since they're offering another Fantasia for this patch, I hope that means the changes to the faces that differed too drastically from their originals are significant.

I just wish they would have been more honest about things that definitely read as mistakes... Duskwight men missing their clan-specific face textures, and Hellsguard's most distinct feature being nigh invisible. I also really, really, really hope they adjusted female Highlander makeup. I still feel so scared because that issue is really niche and dependent on skintone, and while a lot of my characters' face changes are upsetting because they look too different, she feels outright embarrassing to play on because it's like she can't correctly apply the eyeliner that is literally baked into her face... Buh, I'm rambling.

[Argantaelle]

I feel very uneasy too; I'm scared that they won't return my main to me and also disfigure my alt beyond recognition. (My alt's face changed less than many other gender/race combinations, but I'm still frightened nonetheless.)

Let's hope for the best. Anyway, the long wait will be over in 12 days, for better or for worse.

[HawkeScream]

The more rational part of me does think you're definitely right.

Unfortunately my anxiety keeps making me go back and forth... At the same time I keep feeling like showing us literally nothing reeks of a lack of confidence and dishonesty. At the same time, though, since they're offering another Fantasia for this patch, I hope that means the changes to the faces that differed too drastically from their originals are significant.

I just wish they would have been more honest about things that definitely read as mistakes... Duskwight men missing their clan-specific face textures, and Hellsguard's most distinct feature being nigh invisible. I also really, really, really hope they adjusted female Highlander makeup. I still feel so scared because that issue is really niche and dependent on skintone, and while a lot of my characters' face changes are upsetting because they look too different, she feels outright embarrassing to play on because it's like she can't correctly apply the eyeliner that is literally baked into her face... Buh, I'm rambling.

Oh I absolutely agree with you. On one hand I'm a little glad because it minimizes the "your character changed get over it" people who don't care at all but like to flock in and try and drown us out, but I also think by not showing examples they're also minimizing backlash, or pre-backlash, from those of us who do care and are watching it very closely in case there's a major thing that doesn't get addressed (again).

It's not rambling to talk about your concerns about your characters, that's what we're all in here for! If we weren't all talking about it, nothing would be getting done at all. I really hope the details you're unhappy with get fixed and you can enjoy your characters again. I haven't even finished DT on my middie cuz I don't want to look at her in cutscenes the way she is at the moment so I feel you =[. I've been waiting for 7.1 since they announced more adjustments before I decide what to do. Anxious final stretch, wooooo!

[Astronis]

Oh I absolutely agree with you. On one hand I'm a little glad because it minimizes the "your character changed get over it" people who don't care at all but like to flock in and try and drown us out, but I also think by not showing examples they're also minimizing backlash, or pre-backlash, from those of us who do care and are watching it very closely in case there's a major thing that doesn't get addressed (again).

They probably are also not giving any previews so that people who like the previews don't get disappointed if what they saw in a preview isn't what they get live (or do get but looks different in the live environment than they expected). Probably wise of them to head it all off and let people see what happens live rather than fretting one way or the other for two weeks. Even if it doesn't help the current fretting much.

[VerdeLuck]

It'll remain to be seen how many fixes suggested here they go with, but I'm a bit disappointed the old benchmark is gone so making side by side comparisons is getting harder and harder as we go along.
I should have saved the endwalker benchmark somewhere so I can still generate out the side by side, since people call you crazy if you say there's a difference without one in your post.

[Kaziek]

It'll remain to be seen how many fixes suggested here they go with, but I'm a bit disappointed the old benchmark is gone so making side by side comparisons is getting harder and harder as we go along.
I should ahve saved the endwalker benchmark somewhere so I can still generate out the side by side, since people call you crazy if you say there's a difference without one in your post.

It's still archived and available online. I'm not sure what the rules are for external links here but it shouldn't be too hard to find with a google search.

[HawkeScream]

They probably are also not giving any previews so that people who like the previews don't get disappointed if what they saw in a preview isn't what they get live (or do get but looks different in the live environment than they expected). Probably wise of them to head it all off and let people see what happens live rather than fretting one way or the other for two weeks. Even if it doesn't help the current fretting much.

That's a very good point too. Something from a crispy demo image in a controlled environment isn't necessarily going to translate well (good or bad, subjectively) to our screens.

[lunartears]

I'm not sure what to make of the additional Fantasia. One part of me wants to see it as a sign that features might get "drastic" changes but there's also a chance they just added another for 7.1 to save grace.
I'm still not feeling particularly hopeful, I guess we will see what happens in a few days but I don't have many expectations for my own character for a myriad of reasons.

7.2 is going to address fixes and feedback response as well, so I'm considering that more of the day where I'll find out my final verdict. Either way, I don't think I'll stop talking about it.

[Cheapshot]

I really still think they should just push all these changes to the benchmark and collect more feedback before doing the whole live update and free fanta rodeo all over again. I don't for a second believe I'm getting my Miqo'te back. Also I just cancelled my sub. I'll see if they earn it back.

[FateweaverAlpha]

Guess I'm spending the next week or so taking as many screenshots as I can to compare the changes.

After how badly my Duskwight boy got hit last time I am not hopeful at all... It all being blind with no previews has me seriously on edge, especially with the free fantasia again.
I mean sure I get not wanting to show anything ahead of time to reduce the panic but I'm just panicking more.