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    Dont know what you want me to say here? SE doesnt care about its players and blows their money instead of futureproofing FFXIV? Yes. Ive been saying that for ages.
    Plenty of better games gameplaywise out there, including the gacha games. If youre free to play, good for you. But lets not pretend that the budget for improving that game comes from anything but abusing people with gambling addictions.
    Mechanically gacha games are more predatory monetarily. If you cant admit to that. Youre a whale, simple as.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hallarem View Post
    Dont know what you want me to say here? SE doesnt care about its players and blows their money instead of futureproofing FFXIV? Yes. Ive been saying that for ages.
    Plenty of better games gameplaywise out there, including the gacha games. If youre free to play, good for you. But lets not pretend that the budget for improving that game comes from anything but abusing people with gambling addictions.
    Mechanically gacha games are more predatory monetarily. If you cant admit to that. Youre a whale, simple as.
    It depends on the person really,
    I don't have this mindset, if someone have gambling addictions it is better to stop playing games with loot boxes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hallarem View Post
    Dont know what you want me to say here? SE doesnt care about its players and blows their money instead of futureproofing FFXIV? Yes. Ive been saying that for ages.
    I guess, they do care. But it seems to me, that the SQEX management is too disconnected from the real world. The ivory tower is way too high.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Larirawiel View Post
    I guess, they do care. But it seems to me, that the SQEX management is too disconnected from the real world. The ivory tower is way too high.
    Yoshi-P is part of management himself. He's on the board of directors. They have no excuse anymore.


    The game needs more funding, resources and staff.

    There's nothing else to say. It can't be that it takes so long to implement things that should've been part of the game already. For instance, the graphical update feels unfinished on the characters: plenty of low resolution spots on the faces, many older haircuts still look bad compared to the two newest ones, and the bodies were barely updated.

    Things like having a glamor log as well as unlocking glamor, cross DC PF (and ideally DF), an increase of the buff cap or fixing the issues with weaving when having high ping should already be part of the game. They're also painfully slow when it comes to balancing jobs: it mostly happens during a major patch or a minor patch introducing Savage or Ultimate. That's an extremely small number of points per expansion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aco505 View Post
    Yoshi-P is part of management himself. He's on the board of directors. They have no excuse anymore.


    The game needs more funding, resources and staff.

    There's nothing else to say. It can't be that it takes so long to implement things that should've been part of the game already. For instance, the graphical update feels unfinished on the characters: plenty of low resolution spots on the faces, many older haircuts still look bad compared to the two newest ones, and the bodies were barely updated.

    Things like having a glamor log as well as unlocking glamor, cross DC PF (and ideally DF), an increase of the buff cap or fixing the issues with weaving when having high ping should already be part of the game. They're also painfully slow when it comes to balancing jobs: it mostly happens during a major patch or a minor patch introducing Savage or Ultimate. That's an extremely small number of points per expansion.
    If people keep paying, and will pay extra for workarounds to problems(IE retainers for glamour space), they have no incentive to do anything but keep slowly churning out the bare minimum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aco505 View Post
    Yoshi-P is part of management himself. He's on the board of directors. They have no excuse anymore.
    Yes. But the management as a whole seems to be completely disconnected from reality. You can see it when they introduced the NFT game. If they would live in reality then they would know, that you can safely replace the word "NFT" with "crypto scam" and you are always right. But no, they made the NFT game, which was a big flop. And they had Forspoken, which was a huge flop. And this is the reason why FF14 carries the whole company now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hallarem View Post
    But lets not pretend that the budget for improving that game comes from anything but abusing people with gambling addictions.
    Mechanically gacha games are more predatory monetarily. If you cant admit to that. Youre a whale, simple as.
    Funny, point out to me where I deny any of that? I'm not the one pretending anything, you are. The difference between you and me is that I don't pretend to have a moral superior complex or play into the victim mentality. When I see someone max out their credit card and go into bankruptcy ... I look at them and I see losers, not victim. I'm tired of people like you who can't get of their high horse and believe someone society have to protect people from their own idiocy by playing up false narrative. In another word, people like you want the "norm" to suffer for the shake of a few "exceptional moron".

    - Look at Las Vegas: sure once a while you read some gamblers addict go into bankruptcy there ... but people like you gonna use those occasional examples and claim the entire city is ran on gambling addiction which is paternally false. It's a place for tourism, people goes there for fund, even family vacations. Yeah a lot gonna sit at the table, some gonna play the slot machine, most gonna lose money ... but that's fine, because most people "treat" them as an entertainment, not an addiction.

    - Samething with alcohol. Tell me, will you make a claim that the whole industry sustained by alcoholic only? I will find it's hard to believe. I know about 30-40 people who drinks, and only one of them is an alcoholic. So who do you think sustain the industry, the "responsible drinker" or the one who drink themselves into stupor? I always see a bunch of people around the liquor sections whenever I go to Cosco, are they all alcoholic?


    I don't see the Gacha games as any difference as those. I had engaged their community instead of looking from the outside with prejudice. I took out a spreadsheet and work out the numbers instead of yelling in ignorance, that's why I can say you're wrong on all account. Is there whale in Gacha games? Of course there are, but there is a saying among gacha players: you can get everything for free, paying make it easier, and whale if you want to compete with the top 5%. What does that imply where the majority of the players base are? And are you claiming Gacha games actually only sustain by the top 5% of its players?

    Again, why not see for yourself. You can go try them for a few months and if after that your opinion doesn't change, that will be fine, but at the very least at that point you would be no longer talking from ignorance. Once you take a look at the pricing structure of most gacha game, you will see that their main target is still the MMO's crown with ~15$ a month on average. See it for yourself, educate yourself, making conclusion base on fact rather than heresay and prejudice, I don't see a downside to that, do you?
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