Could we please disconnect Submarines/Airship workshops from Housing?

[All_Nonsense]

Submarines are already heavily used to supply gil RMT since they make essentially infinite gil if you have multiple FC houses set up with subs. I don't see how this would change anything other than average players would have access to the money printers that right now only a select few can get.

I don't think you're catching what I'm throwing. I'll elaborate some:

Right now the limiting factor for these gil printer RMT folks is the fact that there is a limited amount of player housing. If they cannot get the houses on their bot accounts, they cannot produce gil. ok, so now that we've established that, I want you to envision what these same people would be capable of should you remove this limiting factor. We're talking tens of thousands of bots over time absolutely nuking the gil supply and causing a runaway effect by introducing an absurd quantity to the system. This is an actual subject of study for every MMO btw - currency inflation management. They very sneakily find ways to introduce systems to combat it (gil mounts, vendors, TP costs, etc) but ultimately their greatest threat is the devaluation of this currency, as it's used to incentivize players to do things in the game that increases their playtime/engagement.

So, the "infinite gil" you're proposing having already been in place is a misnomer. Infinite gil isn't quite the problem, it's the rate at which this infinite gil is introduced into the system versus how quickly it can be removed from the system. If you make submersibles tied to only the ownership of an FC, you will have an unbelievable problem with gil supply immediately, and ironically most of it will come from players who actually play the game and go off to make their own 1 person FC's to take advantage of it.

I'm sure everyone who even opens this thread does so because they feel indignant about the submersible system and feel as though an injustice has been done to them through the unfair implementation of it. That's fine. I'm not arguing that there doesn't need to be retroactive changes to the ToS to stop the gil botters from stealing all the housing and reducing the player experience for all of us. I'm arguing that the solution proposed will not work, that feedback like that is going to be ignored by the dev team for my reasons listed above, and that it will cause the devs to ignore the central issue - Player housing needs to be limited per account and not per character.

It's so much more than "the rmt will do it anyway" you have to look at the reasons *why* things are still the way they are and use deductive reasoning from there. At that point you can work out a better solution and maybe in 12.0 Yoshi P will finally have his team address it. Other than that we gotta find a way to make our peace with the way the systems are and deal w/ it. It's not ideal.

[VerdeLuck]

All I'm seeing here is excuses about why you think you should get a house and features that effectively print money, but you think me and other posters are too irresponsible to also have it.

I don't like that answer, it sucks. I'm sure you abuse this system heavy to run subs and you think others shouldn't have what you have. I hate this "screw you got mine" mentality. You're completely unconcerned with the current inflation of a large number of single person FCs making gil out of thin air to put into the economy or the RMT, it only becomes a problem when people other than you get access to it.

It's just so blatant. That post called it, any time you ask for more fair rules around housing or subs, people from discords who have multiple houses and shell FCs come out of the woodwork to write essays defending how things are now and talk down to everyone.

[All_Nonsense]

All I'm seeing here is excuses about why you think you should get a house and features that effectively print money, but you think me and other posters are too irresponsible to also have it.

I'm not sure where this falsely accusatory and pointed response came from but it's unfortunate that this is the perspective you have on anyone who would rationally explain their concerns with your point of view. I even expressed how I think the system is problematic - aligning my interests with yours while disagreeing with the solution you believe will solve the aforementioned problem. Coming at me with ad hominem statements or false accusations about my intent regarding the statements I've made (which I've clearly expressed) is really counterproductive to the point of having this discussion in the first place. In short, I have not been uncivil to you and I ask for the same courtesy in exchange.

I'm sure you abuse this system heavy to run subs and you think others shouldn't have what you have.

This is not great. Please do not make a habit of speaking to people like this. Making false claims that I abuse game systems in violation of the ToS based on a disagreement of opinion is frankly absurd. I understand that you're upset, but it helps no one to behave in this manner. I guess that's /thread for me