Could we please disconnect Submarines/Airship workshops from Housing?

[Kaliesto]

This will be a bit of a tricky situation.

The Housing Mafians are directly working with the Market Board Mafians that control most of the prices on the market board across the US Servers (I'm not sure of the JP and EURO servers), I remember a time when mounts were not so ridiculously expensive as one example.

If you were to cut off the head of the Hydra then yes it will get the Housing Market much more stable, but then you have to contend with thousands+ more workshops causing much more inflow of gil into the Market board. The Market Board Mafians will try to even maximize more profit and raise the prices on everything much more higher as revenge against you all for fragmenting their FC Empires and purely of out absolute greed.

I know these Empire FCs have been laughing at players for years now for daring to step up against them, and also knowing the Developers have not done much to remedy the problem. They're taking advantage of the situation before things could turn around against them.

My other concern is if these Empire FCs could be linked to things outside of the game doing very suspicious activities.

My solution combined with yours:

Yes lets separate the Workshops, but with some additional tweaks:

Make Housing as Instance like other MMOs.

Rework how mounts are obtained; no longer through the market board but rather through other means that is player friendly. This will financially bankrupt some of the FC Empires that rely on that particular market and bring the cost of gil down across the board because they would not be able to justify raising prices on other items that are much easier to obtain compared to mounts.

Do the same for the Minions as well (I've seen those prices, and its asinine).

By removing the hardest to get items out of the equation and into Player Friendly alternatives you deny the FC Empires & Market Mafians their gil and power, and yes I understand this can hurt the little guys but we gotta think of the bigger picture.


I could say completely re-work the Market Board, but idk what you can possibly do with that for the moment.

[Yodada]

I couldnt care less about Sublords. Only about the stupidity of the Forums and the miss information idiots like the quoted ones are spreading.

I am all in for instanced housing. But it wont happen.

Cause Daddy P wants his precious neighbourhood. What do you think is the biggest incentive for Square to keep subs running and
spreading the population across all Worlds? I give you a free hint it starts with H- and ends with -ousing. But if the playerbase still
wants to play the Three wise monkeys just go ahead and suggest BS solutions they dont care for.

[CaptainLagbeard]

Give all players submarine and airship access through the Squadron.

[Sindele]

Sure, as long as you're fine with them either permanently bricking the gil generation from workshops (and incidentally bricking the value of everything that comes from subs in the process as gil fleets convert to rare fleets to extract what value remains), or bricking the shattered remnants of the gil economy itself entirely within a year of it happening because you've now reduced the barrier to entry for sublording to nothing.

You're only going to get one result or the other. There really is no middle ground here, no matter how much you might think there is. No fine tweak is going to find a nice middle path. *Something* is going to die in the process.

[JimCasey_RF6]

I support your efforts, OP, but keep in mind that your idea has been proposed numerous times on the official forums over the years. I'm sure the dev team is well aware that players want easier access to the workshop system, but, they have not been willing to make the changes requested so far. It never hurts to keep trying, though.

[Vrankyl]

Something needs to be done. Trying to get FC housing for a new FC is hell, and we're locked out of Airships and Subs until we get it. Not to mention it's terrible for the common player anyway. For every FC that shares the bounty of the Airships and Submarines there's 10 where the goods received are for the FC lead only. Add that in with so many housing items constantly being made requiring drops that can only be obtained through Subs and such it's getting a bit ridiculous.

[MeanDragon]

I don't think SE cares about FCs in general, anyway. They increased them to Rank 30 but then offered no benefits for it after 20 and there is nothing to buy with credits except buffs and sub fuel. The only new stuff that gets added to the workshops are more housing exteriors.
Ships and Subs should be available to all FCs, although I am not sure how they would implement that.

And to answer about subs not making a lot of money. We have 3 subs (the 4th just for exploration and items we want to use) just going out getting the jewelry and we make 200-600k A DAY just doing that so sub farms are pretty lucrative.

[All_Nonsense]

The only issue with this is that RMT would *explode* if they did it like this because then anyone could make an army of thousands of bots and abuse the FC system. I agree that it's a serious problem that people are allowed to own so many fc's and hoard all the limited housing plots, but I can also see why this wouldn't be the right solution unfortunately.

[VerdeLuck]

The only issue with this is that RMT would *explode* if they did it like this because then anyone could make an army of thousands of bots and abuse the FC system. I agree that it's a serious problem that people are allowed to own so many fc's and hoard all the limited housing plots, but I can also see why this wouldn't be the right solution unfortunately.

Submarines are already heavily used to supply gil RMT since they make essentially infinite gil if you have multiple FC houses set up with subs. I don't see how this would change anything other than average players would have access to the money printers that right now only a select few can get.

[Sindele]

It's probably more of a factor than it used to be on a small scale, but it's certainly far from a heavy part of the supply, nor is there any reason to think it would become so in the future. RMT is a pure tangential boogeyman when it comes to this - high-volume RMT providers simply aren't ever going stake the profitability of the operation on things that take months to spin up and have capital costs when botting is comparatively free.

The economic consequences would be bloody for a much different set of reasons.