Dawntrail character graphics update - opinions, requests and discussion megathread

[Garruss]

The new lighting continues to ruin old cutscenes.

Endwalker 6.0.


Dawntrail 7.0

That does ruin the whole feeling of that moment with the new lighting

[Moonfallen]

When looking through Chinese lodestone threads, I've found this very interesting post about changes in the faces of Midlander males and how they affect the cutscenes and the plot in general.

Warning: HW and SHB spoilers ahead!

Going through the link and the screenshots just solidifies I will NEVER go through the game on a new character again. It looks AWFUL, and I'm sorry to say this but they ruined their own game. They want to last another 10 years? I don't see that happening after fucking up this badly. So many people I know either play less or quit entirely because the entire vibe on the cutscenes is ruined by horrendous lighting, bad animations, and everyone looking like completely different people. Talking about this link and thread currently with a friend and going over all the screenshot comparisons and even they are asking what the devs were thinking.

[Astronis]

When looking through Chinese lodestone threads, I've found this very interesting post about changes in the faces of Midlander males and how they affect the cutscenes and the plot in general.

Warning: HW and SHB spoilers ahead!

Those all look fine to me, with maybe one out of the whole bunch being over-lit. Mostly they've just had that godawful grey overlay that used to make everything look bad removed. The lighting issue a few posts up in the scene after defeating Thordan, now THAT is a radical shift for the worse that needs to be fixed. These though? They're hardly different at all, certainly not enough to affect the plot.

[noumen0nn]

Those all look fine to me, with maybe one out of the whole bunch being over-lit. Mostly they've just had that godawful grey overlay that used to make everything look bad removed. The lighting issue a few posts up in the scene after defeating Thordan, now THAT is a radical shift for the worse that needs to be fixed. These though? They're hardly different at all, certainly not enough to affect the plot.

Hard disagree. The expression differences are subtle, but so are microexpressions in real life, and those are enough to fully change the emotion being displayed by a face. Facial emotes as a whole need another pass, they look wooden in screenshots and alien in motion.

[Astronis]

Hard disagree. The expression differences are subtle, but so are microexpressions in real life, and those are enough to fully change the emotion being displayed by a face. Facial emotes as a whole need another pass, they look wooden in screenshots and alien in motion.

I can damn near guarantee that someone playing FFXIV for the first time is not going to come away from the game thinking the plot is substantially different than you think it is, based on these subtle differences.

(I say substantially, since at the level of microexpressions, one person's interpretation of another's emotion becomes subjective.)

[CuteBucket]

Those all look fine to me, with maybe one out of the whole bunch being over-lit. Mostly they've just had that godawful grey overlay that used to make everything look bad removed. The lighting issue a few posts up in the scene after defeating Thordan, now THAT is a radical shift for the worse that needs to be fixed. These though? They're hardly different at all, certainly not enough to affect the plot.

It's not about the lighting and colors here (I agree in most of these the new lighting looks better), it's about the structural changes to the Hyur face model Ardbert uses making his expressions look different and just in general him looking like a different guy. Yeah, new players won't notice or care, but it kind of sucks for players that love going back through the story or their favorite cutscenes to have a character they liked have expressions that are different and just generally look like a stranger to them.

[Astronis]

It's not about the lighting and colors here (I agree in most of these the new lighting looks better), it's about the structural changes to the Hyur face model Ardbert uses making his expressions look different and just in general him looking like a different guy. Yeah, new players won't notice or care, but it kind of sucks for players that love going back through the story or their favorite cutscenes to have a character they liked have expressions that are different and just generally look like a stranger to them.

I understand that and sympathize with people who dislike it, though of course it's subjective. To me they all look like the same characters with higher fidelity graphics. Ardbert looks like Ardbert to me. I've gone back through some of the cutscenes and enjoyed how much better they look with the update. Urianger looks soooo much better now. To me at least!

[Gaddes]

I understand that and sympathize with people who dislike it, though of course it's subjective. To me they all look like the same characters with higher fidelity graphics. Ardbert looks like Ardbert to me. I've gone back through some of the cutscenes and enjoyed how much better they look with the update. Urianger looks soooo much better now. To me at least!

Dunno if it's on purpose or not that you didn't mention Thancred, who does look noticeably different and younger, which actually I think hurts his portrayal. Hard to see him as the worn, emotionally fraught man who's gone through the wringer when he looks fresh-faced and younger than before. His HW face (ninja one) I believe hasn't been changed yet so you can actually see how his face reverses all traumatic change as the expansions go on.

[Astronis]

Dunno if it's on purpose or not that you didn't mention Thancred, who does look noticeably different and younger, which actually I think hurts his portrayal. Hard to see him as the worn, emotionally fraught man who's gone through the wringer when he looks fresh-faced and younger than before. His HW face (ninja one) I believe hasn't been changed yet so you can actually see how his face reverses all traumatic change as the expansions go on.

It wasn't on purpose, no. There are a lot of NPCs I didn't mention; I just happened to be struck specifically by how good Urianger looks (especially his eyes, but everyone has much nicer eyes now). TBH, I'm more concerned about Thancred's eye color changing for no given reason after Heavensward, but that doesn't have anything to do with the graphics update. I'd really, really like to know why his white (presumably blind?) eye changed back when Y'shtola's didn't! I did go back and look at HW Thancred and he looks pretty rough, but before and after he doesn't look so different to me that it gives me pause. A little younger, maybe, but that could be chalked up to the shave, bath, and losing the tan. I agree he looks a little different though and can see why that might affect some people's perception of him.

[Argantaelle]

Those all look fine to me, with maybe one out of the whole bunch being over-lit. Mostly they've just had that godawful grey overlay that used to make everything look bad removed.

I can't say that I agree with you. Some facial expressions turned out to be quite awkward, like the new version of the Warrior of Darkness when he stares at the red crystal. Sibold's facial expression changed entirely; instead of a stern young man, I see a constantly smiling person, which (imo) distorts the message of the story. Poor Granson just suffers from the issue with smiles we've discussed in this thread a lot.

I can't say that all the new facial expressions are horrible, but they need to be worked on to better convey the main message of a cutscene.

Also, almost all HW cutscenes are overexposed with unnecessary bright character lighting and weird shadows; sometimes it seems like characters are cut from paper and just slapped on the background without interacting with it in any way.

(very mild HW spoilers)

Just compare Alphi and Ga Bu. Ga Bu interacts with the environment; they cast shadows and reflect light, but Alphi looks like an apparition.

I've collected many similar screenshots. HW cutscenes leave much to be desired after the graphical update (ARR and SB are better). I assumed they just hadn't been touched by SE designers yet when I was going through the story on my alt about a month ago.