Square Enix Appears To Have Ended Working Relationship With Sweet Baby Inc.

[Dorito_Burrito]

It wont make a difference cause SE has their own brand of SBI.

I'm sure soon we will have even more raids, solo duties and dungeons you can just go afk in and have auto walk on for even more winning by doing nothing. (|Please look forward to it.|)

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[dies_irae]

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SE has their own internal "ethics (DEI) department" that got really famous for censoring Tifa in FF7 Remake/Rebirth but also characters from Dragon Quest and Summons from other FF games got hit with the censor stick in their remasters.
After backlash they removed the existence of this departs on their homepage but it is quite obvious that it is still there doing "their thing" when you look at whats happening with DQ3 Remake.
They are probably glad Toriyama is dead so they can finally "fix" his art.

[Divinemights]

SE has their own internal "ethics (DEI) department" that got really famous for censoring Tifa in FF7 Remake/Rebirth but also characters from Dragon Quest and Summons from other FF games got hit with the censor stick in their remasters.
After backlash they removed the existence of this departs on their homepage but it is quite obvious that it is still there doing "their thing" when you look at whats happening with DQ3 Remake.
They are probably glad Toriyama is dead so they can finally "fix" his art.

I don't think that is DEI because that censorship only applied to English Version to avoid problem
If I remember correctly, Japanese version don't have that sensorship

[Alchemii]

I don't think that is DEI because that censorship only applied to English Version to avoid problem
If I remember correctly, Japanese version don't have that sensorship

And this is a lie. The censorship as been applied across the board. In fact there was an interview recently with the creator of Dragon Quest where he talked about it, and showed some disapproval at it happening with DQ3. Also the censored parts of FF7 Remake/Rebirth were also applied to the JP version as well. In short unless it was spoken words, it applied to both version.

[Raven2014]

I don't think that is DEI because that censorship only applied to English Version to avoid problem
If I remember correctly, Japanese version don't have that sensorship

In a recent TSG interview, the creator behind DQ clearly expressed that they believe the censorship going to the DQ3 remake is stupid and is just Western non-sense. Rather, they lament the fact they are "forced" to do it in order to stay in compliance with the law in order to sell the games here.

On one hand, some of that is true especially when it concern stuffs like rating. But the interview does touch on some detail that felt like misinformation, for example they think the Type 1 and Type 2 body-type is a requirement for E rated game? Remember these creators only interested in their own work and not the culture war nonsense, so if this is what their legal/consultants told them, they have no choice but listen. And see how far these people can go to lie in order to push their agenda, it wouldn't be surprised over the years they're have been feeding the creators false information.

[Alchemii]

In a recent TSG interview, the creator behind DQ clearly expressed that they believe the censorship going to the DQ3 remake is stupid and is just Western non-sense. Rather, they lament the fact they are "forced" to do it in order to stay in compliance with the law in order to sell the games here.

On one hand, some of that is true especially when it concern stuffs like rating. But the interview does touch on some detail that felt like misinformation, for example they think the Type 1 and Type 2 body-type is a requirement for E rated game? Remember these creators only interested in their own work and not the culture war nonsense, so if this is what their legal/consultants told them, they have no choice but listen. And see how far these people can go to lie in order to push their agenda, it wouldn't be surprised over the years they're have been feeding the creators false information.

The problem is the rating system isn't legally enforced. It a separate company that's part of the industry deciding what get's what rating. I can 100% see it being taking over, and co-opted into enforcing this nonsense.

[CaptainLagbeard]

In a recent TSG interview, the creator behind DQ clearly expressed that they believe the censorship going to the DQ3 remake is stupid and is just Western non-sense. Rather, they lament the fact they are "forced" to do it in order to stay in compliance with the law in order to sell the games here.

On one hand, some of that is true especially when it concern stuffs like rating. But the interview does touch on some detail that felt like misinformation, for example they think the Type 1 and Type 2 body-type is a requirement for E rated game? Remember these creators only interested in their own work and not the culture war nonsense, so if this is what their legal/consultants told them, they have no choice but listen. And see how far these people can go to lie in order to push their agenda, it wouldn't be surprised over the years they're have been feeding the creators false information.

Feeding false information is kind of the entire job of these consultant companies... As they're supposedly experts on what is and isn't generally accepted by society, and what the people actually want in their media, and they're brought in to direct the game's creation with that information... And with how pretty much every project involved with them ends up crashing and burning should show these companies that they aren't good.

[lolnotacat]

Feeding false information is kind of the entire job of these consultant companies... As they're supposedly experts on what is and isn't generally accepted by society, and what the people actually want in their media, and they're brought in to direct the game's creation with that information... And with how pretty much every project involved with them ends up crashing and burning should show these companies that they aren't good.

To be honest, it's not the consultancy agencies' faults, at least directly. They're a symptom of the problem. The reason why it's a good indicator to not buy games they're involved with is because the entire project is probably just as much of a trainwreck without them, they're just a good signal that's the case. Where there's smoke, there's fire.

Keep in mind that these companies are hired by managers and development teams that are mostly (if not completley) onboard with what they're selling. They wouldn't hire them otherwise. There might be are undoubtedly instances where they made things worse, but I doubt they were the reason a game went from being a critical success to a complete flop.

[Raven2014]

Keep in mind that these companies are hired by managers and development teams that are mostly (if not completley) onboard with what they're selling. They wouldn't hire them otherwise. There might be are undoubtedly instances where they made things worse, but I doubt they were the reason a game went from being a critical success to a complete flop.

Not quite, I think they do it because they thought it's what gonna make them selling more games. It's easy to underestimate how easy it is to disconnect when you're not at the front. As actual gamer we're directly involved and engaged with this discord on a daily basic, it's easy for us to assume things is so obvious. But for say ... a CEO who likely never read a forum, engage a discussion, the only information they will know is the one that got filtered to them by their "staffs". This is not something news or unique to gaming btw, history is filled with these examples. The most recent one is the Ukraine war. The whole world knew it was stupid, but Putin made the decision to start the war based on completely false information from his staffs. Southern Vietnam president Thieu oversaw a fake battlefield because his presidential advisor was a northern spies. Comparing to these examples, something like the "woke-war" is almost just a trivial detail to miss.

This is why you see there is a CLEAR difference between companies where the heads of the company are gamers themselves tend to have a much better read on the market, comparing to companies that's run by co-oporate C-suit who just chasing trenches. That's why you see a lot of strong tittles coming from China right now. As a new emergent industry, a lot of their leadership are gamers growing up whether in Western/Japan companies they're mostly just executives. They do not pursuit DEI because they care about the message, but because they thought DEI = more money. And for good reason too. 10-15 years ago I had no problem with DEI, in fact I saw them as a good thing because they were tastful and weren't completely in your face. Companies probably saw that as a positive trench, but just like every good things in line, eventually it gonna be hijacked by extremist to profit themselves. It's easy to meme and ask "why don't they learn the lesson" seeing flops after flops in the last 2 years ... but remember, the normal pipeline for making games is usually 4-6 years on average. So the craps we're seeing now are what being baked for a while now. For games that coming out this year or next, even if they start realizing DIE = money repellent, it's too late for most of them to reverse course. But I'm sure 4-5 years ago when those projects started that way, it's because they thought DEI would bring them additional money.


I do believe in the long term this trench will be reverse. There will never be such a thing when cooperates scarify profit for a 'cause. Ask yourself when a company ever care about that? They never cared about human right, they never care about environmental issue, they never care worker right, so why would you think they suddenly willing to lose billions to carry the "message"? It's just that even if it starts now, we won't see the effect clearly for at least another 4-5 years for the new pipeline to be established, and we still gonna have to deal with the residual from the old pipeline for at least another couple years.

[Catwho]

SE has their own internal "ethics (DEI) department" that got really famous for censoring Tifa in FF7 Remake/Rebirth but also characters from Dragon Quest and Summons from other FF games got hit with the censor stick in their remasters.
After backlash they removed the existence of this departs on their homepage but it is quite obvious that it is still there doing "their thing" when you look at whats happening with DQ3 Remake.
They are probably glad Toriyama is dead so they can finally "fix" his art.

You know why I loved Tifa's redesign in Remake/Rebirth? Because as a big busted woman, I know that having Tifa without a sports bra doing kick flips and cartwheels would have been PAINFUL. And putting her in a pair of boy shorts under her skirt instead of white panties? Also realistic. it's also what Lightning has under her skirt, and it's how modern tennis skirts are made. You don't want that stuff riding up and getting stuck in uncomfortable places.

Her redesign was fantastic. Nothing DEI or woke about it. Just... modern.

Whiny fanboys called it censorship. Actual women like me called it realism.