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  1. 09-29-2024 09:33 AM
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoDuck View Post
    It wont make a difference cause SE has their own brand of SBI.

    I'm sure soon we will have even more raids, solo duties and dungeons you can just go afk in and have auto walk on for even more winning by doing nothing. (|Please look forward to it.|)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorito_Burrito View Post
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    SE has their own internal "ethics (DEI) department" that got really famous for censoring Tifa in FF7 Remake/Rebirth but also characters from Dragon Quest and Summons from other FF games got hit with the censor stick in their remasters.
    After backlash they removed the existence of this departs on their homepage but it is quite obvious that it is still there doing "their thing" when you look at whats happening with DQ3 Remake.
    They are probably glad Toriyama is dead so they can finally "fix" his art.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dies_irae View Post
    SE has their own internal "ethics (DEI) department" that got really famous for censoring Tifa in FF7 Remake/Rebirth but also characters from Dragon Quest and Summons from other FF games got hit with the censor stick in their remasters.
    After backlash they removed the existence of this departs on their homepage but it is quite obvious that it is still there doing "their thing" when you look at whats happening with DQ3 Remake.
    They are probably glad Toriyama is dead so they can finally "fix" his art.
    I don't think that is DEI because that censorship only applied to English Version to avoid problem
    If I remember correctly, Japanese version don't have that sensorship
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinemights View Post
    I don't think that is DEI because that censorship only applied to English Version to avoid problem
    If I remember correctly, Japanese version don't have that sensorship
    And this is a lie. The censorship as been applied across the board. In fact there was an interview recently with the creator of Dragon Quest where he talked about it, and showed some disapproval at it happening with DQ3. Also the censored parts of FF7 Remake/Rebirth were also applied to the JP version as well. In short unless it was spoken words, it applied to both version.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinemights View Post
    I don't think that is DEI because that censorship only applied to English Version to avoid problem
    If I remember correctly, Japanese version don't have that sensorship
    In a recent TSG interview, the creator behind DQ clearly expressed that they believe the censorship going to the DQ3 remake is stupid and is just Western non-sense. Rather, they lament the fact they are "forced" to do it in order to stay in compliance with the law in order to sell the games here.

    On one hand, some of that is true especially when it concern stuffs like rating. But the interview does touch on some detail that felt like misinformation, for example they think the Type 1 and Type 2 body-type is a requirement for E rated game? Remember these creators only interested in their own work and not the culture war nonsense, so if this is what their legal/consultants told them, they have no choice but listen. And see how far these people can go to lie in order to push their agenda, it wouldn't be surprised over the years they're have been feeding the creators false information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven2014 View Post
    In a recent TSG interview, the creator behind DQ clearly expressed that they believe the censorship going to the DQ3 remake is stupid and is just Western non-sense. Rather, they lament the fact they are "forced" to do it in order to stay in compliance with the law in order to sell the games here.

    On one hand, some of that is true especially when it concern stuffs like rating. But the interview does touch on some detail that felt like misinformation, for example they think the Type 1 and Type 2 body-type is a requirement for E rated game? Remember these creators only interested in their own work and not the culture war nonsense, so if this is what their legal/consultants told them, they have no choice but listen. And see how far these people can go to lie in order to push their agenda, it wouldn't be surprised over the years they're have been feeding the creators false information.
    The problem is the rating system isn't legally enforced. It a separate company that's part of the industry deciding what get's what rating. I can 100% see it being taking over, and co-opted into enforcing this nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven2014 View Post
    In a recent TSG interview, the creator behind DQ clearly expressed that they believe the censorship going to the DQ3 remake is stupid and is just Western non-sense. Rather, they lament the fact they are "forced" to do it in order to stay in compliance with the law in order to sell the games here.

    On one hand, some of that is true especially when it concern stuffs like rating. But the interview does touch on some detail that felt like misinformation, for example they think the Type 1 and Type 2 body-type is a requirement for E rated game? Remember these creators only interested in their own work and not the culture war nonsense, so if this is what their legal/consultants told them, they have no choice but listen. And see how far these people can go to lie in order to push their agenda, it wouldn't be surprised over the years they're have been feeding the creators false information.
    Feeding false information is kind of the entire job of these consultant companies... As they're supposedly experts on what is and isn't generally accepted by society, and what the people actually want in their media, and they're brought in to direct the game's creation with that information... And with how pretty much every project involved with them ends up crashing and burning should show these companies that they aren't good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard View Post
    Feeding false information is kind of the entire job of these consultant companies... As they're supposedly experts on what is and isn't generally accepted by society, and what the people actually want in their media, and they're brought in to direct the game's creation with that information... And with how pretty much every project involved with them ends up crashing and burning should show these companies that they aren't good.
    To be honest, it's not the consultancy agencies' faults, at least directly. They're a symptom of the problem. The reason why it's a good indicator to not buy games they're involved with is because the entire project is probably just as much of a trainwreck without them, they're just a good signal that's the case. Where there's smoke, there's fire.

    Keep in mind that these companies are hired by managers and development teams that are mostly (if not completley) onboard with what they're selling. They wouldn't hire them otherwise. There might be are undoubtedly instances where they made things worse, but I doubt they were the reason a game went from being a critical success to a complete flop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dies_irae View Post
    SE has their own internal "ethics (DEI) department" that got really famous for censoring Tifa in FF7 Remake/Rebirth but also characters from Dragon Quest and Summons from other FF games got hit with the censor stick in their remasters.
    After backlash they removed the existence of this departs on their homepage but it is quite obvious that it is still there doing "their thing" when you look at whats happening with DQ3 Remake.
    They are probably glad Toriyama is dead so they can finally "fix" his art.
    You know why I loved Tifa's redesign in Remake/Rebirth? Because as a big busted woman, I know that having Tifa without a sports bra doing kick flips and cartwheels would have been PAINFUL. And putting her in a pair of boy shorts under her skirt instead of white panties? Also realistic. it's also what Lightning has under her skirt, and it's how modern tennis skirts are made. You don't want that stuff riding up and getting stuck in uncomfortable places.

    Her redesign was fantastic. Nothing DEI or woke about it. Just... modern.

    Whiny fanboys called it censorship. Actual women like me called it realism.
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