Why current job design is boring?

[Eyrilona]

Aside from boosting Healers damage, most Tank heals should definitely be nerfed...
I would be more than willing to let WAR keep their self-heals as those are kind of part of it's identity... But their ability to heal other people should be much weaker... The heal and regen from Shake It Off being removed for other people, and Nascent Flash taken down to like 100 potency...
As for the others, I think DRK probably has the most reasonable amount of tank healing with Abyssal Drain on a 1min CD and Shadowed Vigil on a 2min CD... Maybe take Souleater down to like a 200 potency heal...

Wait.. there is a small logic flaw in here. WAR don't actually want to spend time out of their rotation healing other party members, so if they do, some circumstances must be forcing them. It is portrayed here as competition for the designated healer, but WAR already has negative incentive to be healing anyone but themselves if they don't have to -- their foremost interest would be for them to just get to focus on their damage rotation only interrupted for mechanics. If the WAR is healing the party, that's a pretty strong sign that the healer either may be dead/frozen/petrified right now, or failed at mana management and ran out? They'd not really be taking the healer's job if they only do it at times when the healer for whatever reason already isn't, no?

[Daeriion_Aeradiir]

Wait.. there is a small logic flaw in here. WAR don't actually want to spend time out of their rotation healing other party members, so if they do, some circumstances must be forcing them. It is portrayed here as competition for the designated healer, but WAR already has negative incentive to be healing anyone but themselves if they don't have to -- their foremost interest would be for them to just get to focus on their damage rotation only interrupted for mechanics. If the WAR is healing the party, that's a pretty strong sign that the healer either may be dead/frozen/petrified right now, or failed at mana management and ran out? They'd not really be taking the healer's job if they only do it at times when the healer for whatever reason already isn't, no?

WAR doesnt need to stop their damage rotation to heal itself or party members. Nascent Flash heals a party member whenever the WAR lands a weaponskill, Equilibrium is a simple OGCD for self heals, and shake it off is also a fire and forget OGCD for shield + regen for the party. WAR can easily heal at least one party member while not having to give much thought to it, regardless of how the current party situation may look. To a lesser extent, GNB also doesn't need to stop its damage rotation to heal party members since Heart of Corrundum & Aurora are simple targetted abilities that provide healing.

You're thinking of PLD, where in order to do burst healing on the party, needs to actively stop its damage rotation to use Clemency, a hardcasted GCD spell. But yes, if a PLD is even remotely debating to use clemency, then it means the healer is likely dead.

Aside from boosting Healers damage, most Tank heals should definitely be nerfed...
I would be more than willing to let WAR keep their self-heals as those are kind of part of it's identity... But their ability to heal other people should be much weaker... The heal and regen from Shake It Off being removed for other people, and Nascent Flash taken down to like 100 potency...
As for the others, I think DRK probably has the most reasonable amount of tank healing with Abyssal Drain on a 1min CD and Shadowed Vigil on a 2min CD... Maybe take Souleater down to like a 200 potency heal...

The actual healing potency on Nascent Flash is irrelevant, 400 potency is fine - PLD's blade combo is also 400 potency iirc for each hit but its not keeping them perpetually sustained in mass pulls on its own.
The problem with Nascent is the fact that it applies the healing *per target hit.* It could be 100 potency but it'd still be busted purely for the fact it applies the heals many times over. If it applied a single 400 potency heal regardless of how many targets it hit like PLD's blade combo, it would still be a good healing tool for dungeons & boss fights, it would just no longer be a benediction on a 25s timer.

The amount it heals to other people could be nerfed a bit though, yeah.

[CaptainLagbeard]

The actual healing potency on Nascent Flash is irrelevant, 400 potency is fine - PLD's blade combo is also 400 potency iirc for each hit but its not keeping them perpetually sustained in mass pulls on its own.
The problem with Nascent is the fact that it applies the healing *per target hit.* It could be 100 potency but it'd still be busted purely for the fact it applies the heals many times over. If it applied a single 400 potency heal regardless of how many targets it hit like PLD's blade combo, it would still be a good healing tool for dungeons & boss fights, it would just no longer be a benediction on a 25s timer.

The amount it heals to other people could be nerfed a bit though, yeah.

Most boss fights you're only ever going to have one enemy to attack, so in those situations the whole per hit thing doesn't really matter... And at 100 potency compared to it's current 400, it's healing would be roughly cut to a quarter of it's current heals... It's wouldn't heal all that much, would be considerably weaker than even Second Wind. Nowhere near enough to replace a Healer, but can potentially push someone to survive one raidwide hit.

[Supersnow845]

Most boss fights you're only ever going to have one enemy to attack, so in those situations the whole per hit thing doesn't really matter... And at 100 potency compared to it's current 400, it's healing would be roughly cut to a quarter of it's current heals... It's wouldn't heal all that much, would be considerably weaker than even Second Wind. Nowhere near enough to replace a Healer, but can potentially push someone to survive one raidwide hit.

Or they could just cut the healing and the “I can help a person survive a raidwide” comes from them sharing a mitigation, not a heal