Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

[Daralii]

Oh believe me, if you press a msq-defender on this, I'm sure they will find a way how that makes totally sense and that YOU just dOn't UnDeRsTaNd!

Or they are smart enough to not even attempt to defend this but that's me giving them too much credit.

If you try to press them on any point surrounding the stupid/nonsensical writing they tend to just accuse you of media illiteracy.

[sylphlands]

If you try to press them on any point surrounding the stupid/nonsensical writing they tend to just accuse you of media illiteracy.

This is what baffles me the most about DT's defenders. DT needs the audience to have poor literacy for the story even to work. The moment you pull at a single thread, the whole thing unravels. It's bizarre that actual critiques of the story, of which there are an endless amount, get accused of being a product of "low attention span" as if the writing doesn't beat you over the head with the same point again and again juuust in case you forgot anything from two lines earlier.

The writers seemed to assume we're all stupid and would either not notice or intentionally ignore blatant plot holes, poor dialogue, and zero solid character arcs. There were so many points I felt outright scorn from this team - I looked at my partner at one point and was like, "Do they hate us for playing this game?"

[Zaniel]

This is what baffles me the most about DT's defenders. DT needs the audience to have poor literacy for the story even to work.

Sometimes I just wonder if people read anymore. How anyone can consume ANY literature during their life and then defend the writing in Dawntrail is beyond me (or watch any part way decently written TV series). Hell, your average X-Men crossover series makes more sense than Dawntrail.

[lolnotacat]

Sometimes I just wonder if people read anymore. How anyone can consume ANY literature during their life and then defend the writing in Dawntrail is beyond me (or watch any part way decently written TV series). Hell, your average X-Men crossover series makes more sense than Dawntrail.

Honestly, I think a lot of the defense (and some of the hatred) of DT is ideological, which is why so many of the arguments are nonsensical or pure deflection tactics. "Group X (dis)likes this game because they're on the wrong team so I have to defend/attack it!"

The game also has a lot of weird toxic positivity where people get very upset if you criticize the game at all so they'll just defend it reflexively.

But, for some reason, there are people who genuinely like the story. There's someone on my friend list who reads fantasy fiction voraciously and thinks Dawntrail is the best expansion by far. You can't account for taste I suppose.

[EchoingPulse]

Honestly, I think a lot of the defense (and some of the hatred) of DT is ideological, which is why so many of the arguments are nonsensical or pure deflection tactics. "Group X (dis)likes this game because they're on the wrong team so I have to defend/attack it!"

The game also has a lot of weird toxic positivity where people get very upset if you criticize the game at all so they'll just defend it reflexively.

But, for some reason, there are people who genuinely like the story. There's someone on my friend list who reads fantasy fiction voraciously and thinks Dawntrail is the best expansion by far. You can't account for taste I suppose.

Unfortunately, that first reason is the most potent and accurate.
I wouldn't say I like it for XYZ reason. I must be on the wrong side of the lake and hate the golden child Wuk because of it.

[Allegor]

This is what baffles me the most about DT's defenders. DT needs the audience to have poor literacy for the story even to work. The moment you pull at a single thread, the whole thing unravels. It's bizarre that actual critiques of the story, of which there are an endless amount, get accused of being a product of "low attention span" as if the writing doesn't beat you over the head with the same point again and again juuust in case you forgot anything from two lines earlier.

The writers seemed to assume we're all stupid and would either not notice or intentionally ignore blatant plot holes, poor dialogue, and zero solid character arcs. There were so many points I felt outright scorn from this team - I looked at my partner at one point and was like, "Do they hate us for playing this game?"

I'll take a pick from the jar:

Zoraal ja spent 30 years preparing to invade Tuliyollal and he was still beaten by his old, officially retired, literally half dead father.

[CuteBucket]

If you try to press them on any point surrounding the stupid/nonsensical writing they tend to just accuse you of media illiteracy.

This one is so infuriating because the vast majority of the critiques of this game have gone into great detail about what parts failed and why, you can read any of the story focused threads here to see a lot of great analysis, and yet the Twitter defenders will just go "yOU jUst hAtE noT bEInG thE ceNteR oF aTtEnsIOn!!"

NO!

I liked the idea of being a mentor! Too bad we never did that! All we had to do was tell Wuk Lamat that she was always perfect just the way she is and then she had the confidence and ability to do literally anything she wanted! That's not mentoring!

lmao "media literacy" arguments from Twitter, the website where basic reading comprehension goes to die.

[Allegor]

I liked the idea of being a mentor! Too bad we never did that! All we had to do was tell Wuk Lamat that she was always perfect just the way she is and then she had the confidence and ability to do literally anything she wanted! That's not mentoring!

I felt more like a mentor to Vath Deftarm than I did to Wuk. We were more like her bodyguards, if anything, and we couldn't get even that right (the kidnapping quest still annoys me more than it should). So what are we if neither mentors nor bodyguards? .....cheerleaders. We were merely cheerleaders.