The FF14 community does not understand SE's design choice

[Supersnow845]

You also can’t ignore the fact that there is a strangely large amount of people in 14 who will white knight anything. You see it on the forums anytime a topic comes up that is even mildly discussed or discussed across multiple threads

Inevitably someone will come in and make a thread like “I want to thank the devs for being so good to us” or “I like x change because the devs know what they are doing” and oftentimes haha no idea about the actual ins and outs of the topic and it just reads like they are defending square

That “viper changes are good actually” thread is an example of this

Randomly pulling thread names out of the aether that seem to align with the point that it people do agree with changes while ignoring these threads exist won’t go anywhere

[Divinemights]

You also can’t ignore the fact that there is a strangely large amount of people in 14 who will white knight anything.

There is also a fact there is a strangely large portion of players in FF14 will accuse others being White Knights when they unable to present a valid argument but really want to shut up those who do not agree

[Supersnow845]

There is also a fact there is a strangely large portion of players in FF14 will accuse others being White Knights when they unable to present a valid argument but really want to shut up those who do not agree

That’s why I specifically said threads that present opposition to prevailing criticism but are completely vapid or empty

If the devs are getting criticised for an unpopular change making a thread titled “I just want to thank the devs for all they do for us” is just bait

Valid praise for actually well designed elements is fine (I’ll gush about pictomancer all day if you give me half a chance), vapid threads that just amount to people unhappy that I he game receiving criticism is not. That’s not anti white knighting and if you aren’t white knighting then actually defend your point. If you come in and go “I like this and no I won’t explain my point to anyone” I’m probably gonna assume you are a white knight

[Aravell]

There is also a fact there is a strangely large portion of players in FF14 will accuse others being White Knights when they unable to present a valid argument but really want to shut up those who do not agree

Let's be real, a lot of people are guilty of trying to dismiss other people's opinions. It's not just one side or another.

"You're just a white knight/SE defender/bootlicker/shill"
"You're just a doomer/negative nancy/hater"
"From my extensive research of searching up your name in a certain website, I can deduce that you do not do a certain type of content, so um, shut up"

All very common things to see on here, all used to dismiss arguments out of hand.

[Divinemights]

Let's be real, a lot of people are guilty of trying to dismiss other people's opinions. It's not just one side or another.

"You're just a white knight/SE defender/bootlicker/shill"
"You're just a doomer/negative nancy/hater"
"From my extensive research of searching up your name in a certain website, I can deduce that you do not do a certain type of content, so um, shut up"

All very common things to see on here, all used to dismiss arguments out of hand.

The main problem with FF14 player community is we have developed a "Customer is always right" complex.
Also due to rise of cancel culture, anyone trying to explain the fact will labeled as "White Knight"
Are players always right?

[Valence]

The main problem with FF14 player community is we have developed a "Customer is always right" complex.
Also due to rise of cancel culture, anyone trying to explain the fact will labeled as "White Knight"
Are players always right?

The idea that being right in game design as a binary concept between the players being right OR the devs being right is a fantasy, especially since depending on sides and the lens through which every individual gauges "right" and "wrong" is as subjective as it is nebulous. This isn't about being right or wrong, this is about the dev team presenting the playerbase with a finished product with clear design choices, and being faced by a certain amount of backlash. To various degrees, the playerbase will be either satisfied or not satisfied with certain designs, and it's on the dev team to make sense of what went wrong or right, and what to keep or change or discard.

On the player side it's exactly like politics and it's about pushing for specific changes or directions, and exactly like politics, not everyone agrees on things in the playerbase. It's not about being right or wrong, it's about bringing the devs closer to your side/view. And like in politics, whether they deliver with the product or not, especially regarding their own constituency they tried to please, is another story.

However, there is one metric where the player will always be right, and it's about how they do feel and what their tastes are through their feedback. Nobody can take that from you, and having anybody saying they know better for your own sake and that they should take over instead, I already know where this leads, no matter if it's a game or real life.