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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by LilimoLimomo View Post
    Well, I'm convinced. Any person who wants to use the kick system for any reason is in the right and should be allowed to do so, as both God and Yoshi-P intended. I'm going to queue for dungeons with a trusted friend knowing that if at any point we have the desire to kick, we can do that with impunity. Don't like your glam? Kick. Don't like your race? Kick. Don't like your job? Kick. Just for giggles? Kick. Right before the end boss...wouldn't it be hilarious if we kicked? Just imagine the looks on their faces when they realize they don't get to finish the dungeon because we exercised our righteous power over them!

    I genuinely can't think of any reason why a for-profit company like Square-Enix could have a vested interest in this sort of behavior not happening in the product that they want people to continue paying them to use.

    To be clear, that was satire, and hopefully that explains why SE very much does care about whether their kick system is abused, in the same way they care about other forms of harassment and toxicity.
    The reason why it’s easier for square to take a “all kicks are valid by default” approach is because by default people are too lazy and it’s too pointless to kick for the satirical reasons you listed

    If someone initiates a vote kick there is very very likely some reason for it. It may not be valid in the eyes of the person being kicked or the two other players but that’s why it defaults to “if you can get a majority it’s valid”

    The amount of extra work created for the Gm’s if all kicks are assumed hostile would be massive and just lead to people not ever touching the vote kick feature like people barely talk anymore because the community sees advice as being toxic
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Lilimo Limomo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    The amount of extra work created for the Gm’s if all kicks are assumed hostile would be massive and just lead to people not ever touching the vote kick feature like people barely talk anymore because the community sees advice as being toxic
    I think you're misunderstanding me; I never in any way suggested that GM's should assume all kicks are hostile. I would also disagree with that.

    Regardless, evidence suggests that they don't simply treat all kicks as valid, either. And I've explained why it makes sense that they've elected that route.
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