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    Will it make you happier then if Energy Drain becomes 250 potency with AoE fall off and 270 cure potency (Fey Union)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    Will it make you happier then if Energy Drain becomes 250 potency with AoE fall off and 270 cure potency (Fey Union)?
    ED is 1 problem there is 99 problems in the healer role still need to be addressed,

    as for what would make me happy is also stopping scholar from eating faeries.. it is like someone who eats his own pet to get damage buff
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tunda View Post
    ED is 1 problem there is 99 problems in the healer role still need to be addressed,

    as for what would make me happy is also stopping scholar from eating faeries.. it is like someone who eats his own pet to get damage buff
    You need to not think of it as a damage buff, you need to think of it as a super powered rhizomata. It is an incredible button in prog because you can simply press a single button to get your entire gauge back at any time and get a buff to your GCD heals which doesn’t punish SCH anywhere near as much as it has both ET and spreadlo

    If rhizomata or a theoretical lily generator generated all three of their respective healing tool and gave a healing buff you’d expect it to have a downside and a long CD like seraphism, macrocosmos and lilybell all have
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    You need to not think of it as a damage buff, you need to think of it as a super powered rhizomata. It is an incredible button in prog because you can simply press a single button to get your entire gauge back at any time and get a buff to your GCD heals which doesn’t punish SCH anywhere near as much as it has both ET and spreadlo

    If rhizomata or a theoretical lily generator generated all three of their respective healing tool and gave a healing buff you’d expect it to have a downside and a long CD like seraphism, macrocosmos and lilybell all have
    You still can't compare it to rhizomata, because rhizomata is a healing utility and Dissipation is again give you the option to damage or heal.

    but why I can't use faere?

    Describe to me Dissipation is healing buff or damage buff? or is it both?

    and why I can't use faere if it is healing buff?

    why I have to consume healing resource to have another healing resource? it doesn't make sense
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tunda View Post
    You still can't compare it to rhizomata, because rhizomata is a healing utility and Dissipation is again give you the option to damage or heal.

    but why I can't use faere?

    Describe to me Dissipation is healing buff or damage buff? or is it both?

    and why I can't use faere if it is healing buff?

    why I have to consume healing resource to have another healing resource? it doesn't make sense
    It’s a choice. Dissipation has 2 effects and a choice

    Effect 1) 20% healing magic Up (so GCD heals)
    Effect 2) no fairy for 30 seconds
    Choice- what do you do with your 3 free aetherflow?

    Dissipation does not deactivate fairy skills that are currently active, so you can use whispering dawn then immediately dissipate and whispering dawn will still run its regen. The idea is to use dissipation when you don’t have any other fairy skills you need to use as if only blocks illumination, whispering dawn, seraph, seraphism, union and blessing. If you have them on CD you are really only trading 9 casts of embrace for 3 aetherflow and a healing buff

    Now as for the 3 aetherflows they have the same choice as just pressing the actual bottom aetherflow, you can use them for aetherflow heals or you can use them for energy drain. You don’t have to use them for energy drain. In an optimal environment it is a very slight gain to dissipate on CD and use 3 energy drains but that’s far from the only use of the skill

    At its core dissipation is a gauge generator like rhizomata is, it just generates 3 gauge instead of 1 and gives a GCD buff at the expense of the fairy, it’s your choice what you do with those aetherflows just as it’s your decision making that determines how much of your kit you lock yourself out of based on when you press dissipation
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    It’s a choice. Dissipation has 2 effects and a choice

    Effect 1) 20% healing magic Up (so GCD heals)
    Effect 2) no fairy for 30 seconds
    Choice- what do you do with your 3 free aetherflow?

    Dissipation does not deactivate fairy skills that are currently active, so you can use whispering dawn then immediately dissipate and whispering dawn will still run its regen. The idea is to use dissipation when you don’t have any other fairy skills you need to use as if only blocks illumination, whispering dawn, seraph, seraphism, union and blessing. If you have them on CD you are really only trading 9 casts of embrace for 3 aetherflow and a healing buff

    Now as for the 3 aetherflows they have the same choice as just pressing the actual bottom aetherflow, you can use them for aetherflow heals or you can use them for energy drain. You don’t have to use them for energy drain. In an optimal environment it is a very slight gain to dissipate on CD and use 3 energy drains but that’s far from the only use of the skill

    At its core dissipation is a gauge generator like rhizomata is, it just generates 3 gauge instead of 1 and gives a GCD buff at the expense of the fairy, it’s your choice what you do with those aetherflows just as it’s your decision making that determines how much of your kit you lock yourself out of based on when you press dissipation
    So based on your explanation is trading 9 casts of embrace for 3 aetherflow and a healing buff is overall a healing buff?
    Because from my experience it is not but it is for damage
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    Quote Originally Posted by BabyYoda View Post
    So based on your explanation is trading 9 casts of embrace for 3 aetherflow and a healing buff is overall a healing buff?
    Because from my experience it is not but it is for damage
    A dissipation buffed spreadlo absolutely dwarfs 9 casts of embrace. Considering the state of tank sustain embrace may as well be deleted at this point for all it actually adds to SCH
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    Will it make you happier then if Energy Drain becomes 250 potency with AoE fall off and 270 cure potency (Fey Union)?
    ED having 100 potency and no fall off in AOE would be a nice QoL change but I think most people who have played SCH don't want ED to ever change from how its designed except maybe bringing back the MP restoration and shortening of the Aether CD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramiee View Post
    ED having 100 potency and no fall off in AOE would be a nice QoL change but I think most people who have played SCH don't want ED to ever change from how its designed except maybe bringing back the MP restoration and shortening of the Aether CD.
    Tbh the CD shortening was so great.
    Regarding the mp I don't really mind I mean... I much prefer having all the mp into AF once a minute than split around.
    More especially so that i feel like it is bad design. If you use ED, then you don't need to do gcd heal since you're already dumping potential heal through ED. So your mp expenditure is lower than if you were using all flux to heal + gcd heal. So it doesn't really make sens to give SCH more mp in a situation where they need less mp.
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