The death of savage raiding and SE's lack of action

[Galvuu]

And how would you switch to healers now? Get 710 penta and start from scratch? What about old ults, refarm BiS? And FRU - there is no time left to gear healer for that if you are PFing.

I agree with your general sentiment- the gearing is a problem, but so is how Savage is set up. If you clear, you can't go help people without incurring a penalty on the rewards. So it's hard to gear alt jobs and it's hard to help without messing other people up.
Even if there was a core of players for the needed jobs that were super dedicated and would hypothetically be joining clears 24/7, the game blockades that. You really feel the drain on some roles as the week progresses and people get their clears. You can't even clear out of order, which might alleviate the problem somewhat.
I think this whole reward penalty was created either to stop clear sales or maybe slow down the gear progression, but it's so outdated and actively hurts the pool of available players at any given time.
There are way too many issues with the gearing and reward system right now, which compound with the job/balance issues to make it all a mess.

[MisterNublet]

I think this whole reward penalty was created either to stop clear sales or maybe slow down the gear progression, but it's so outdated and actively hurts the pool of available players at any given time.
There are way too many issues with the gearing and reward system right now, which compound with the job/balance issues to make it all a mess.

It was hilarious of me to have thought that Criterion/Crit Savage was going to be a great secondary route to gear up alt jobs.

Instead, CBU3 was like, "Here's a chair mount for your troubles."

[Raven2014]

And how would you switch to healers now? Get 710 penta and start from scratch? What about old ults, refarm BiS? And FRU - there is no time left to gear healer for that if you are PFing.

Gearing is what is gatekeeping role flexing. DPS and tanks are sitting in PF and waiting for healers due to sunken costs.

I clear every week on 2 710 healers on PF, so what you're talking about?

Heck it's not even just healer, my 713 MCH also has no problem finding group.

Like ... the majority of the PF do not put a ilvl lock for weekly clear. So you should really stop making stuffs up. Unless you specifically want to join those ilvl lock party because you want to fish for a carry.

Also what stopping you making your own PF? Heck even now I regularly run into undisclosed alt-clear and rarely I see people kick up a fuss about it unless you don't meet enrage/wiping. A healer making their own PF would have no issue of having it filled.

[SieyaM]

Cross-Tail Switch does almost 900k in 8 seconds, if you can find me any party that can heal through that without tank LB, I'll be impressed.



Did you even read the post? I literally wrote right there that I looked for a weekly savage PF "at reset", weekly reset is 5pm in Japan, not midnight.

Even so, 40 minutes is a far cry from the claim that no one is playing healers and content is unable to be completed as a result, which was supposed to be the point of this healer strike. Condescension aside I don't think there is any scenario where every PF will be filled instantly with everyone always playing their preferred role or job, so I guess the question is what would you see as a measure of successful job design?

[TheRealQuah]

A lot of healers in here saying they want more healing, but when there is a healing check (m4s) they demand we use tank LB. Make your minds up.

Also on EU the most in demand role is Physical Ranged, usually get healers join before getting a prdps

[Aravell]

A lot of healers in here saying they want more healing, but when there is a healing check (m4s) they demand we use tank LB. Make your minds up.

The meaning of healing check has been lost, it seems.

Ion cannon phase is a healing check. Fusefield is a healing check.

Cross-Tail Switch is a mitigation check. You're not surviving that unless you stack mitigations very high, so it's by nature a mitigation check.

[Alice_Rivers]

I enjoyed my first experience of M4N, the final "mechanic" there was really nice, I just wish it was as threatening now as it was then. As I've said previously though, rather than more and higher spike damage, I'd prefer to see more sustained damage over the course of a duty with more frequent, lower spikes.

Part of the problem with high spike damage is that people are naturally going to reach a point where it's safer to use a Tank LB than dump half the healer's kit into it.

[Aravell]

Part of the problem with high spike damage is that people are naturally going to reach a point where it's safer to use a Tank LB than dump half the healer's kit into it.

For the mechanic they're talking about, you don't only use half a healer kit, you end up burning half your total mitigation available in the whole party, and it still does around 50k per hit (less or more depending on how much you dump on it), so you still need both healers spamming heals to get through it.

At that point, it stops being "OMG, healers are sooooo lazy, they don't even want to HEAL" and starts being a case of tank LB being safer and more reliable in an uncontrolled environment like PF.

Edit: I think it makes the whole situation extra funny because healers have to clear an actual heal check in M3S (Fusefield) before even getting into M4S where they're suddenly lazy and incompetent and can't handle a heal check.

[Alice_Rivers]

Yeah... A four hit wipe after a parties mits isn't what I call a heal check, that IS a tank LB moment.

[Raven2014]

For the mechanic they're talking about, you don't only use half a healer kit, you end up burning half your total mitigation available in the whole party, and it still does around 50k per hit (less or more depending on how much you dump on it), so you still need both healers spamming heals to get through it.

At that point, it stops being "OMG, healers are sooooo lazy, they don't even want to HEAL" and starts being a case of tank LB being safer and more reliable in an uncontrolled environment like PF.

And don't forget you go into that part right after another big heal/mit check just before the transition, so the party/healers already partially spent. So this particular complain about this tank LB feels pretty braindead tbh.

Edit: just notice the poster who claimed about tank LB is a DK ... welp guess that make sense LOL. Most party move their 2min so I bet the complain isn't really about the tank LB or healer being lazy, but more about a "MY GCD!!"