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  1. #211
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    Nestama Eynfoetsyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayan_Calvesse View Post
    Do you see how your statement comes across as such?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ayan_Calvesse View Post
    Thats called gaslighting. You would need to be willfully ignorant to take many of her statements as anything other then inflammatory rhetoric; I am really trying to take your arguments in good faith but you seem to be trying to minimize the VA's contribution to the issue at hand.
    Then that's your issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by LarsBehe View Post
    The fact that you say this just speaks volumes of A) how willfully ignorant you are and B) the low levels you're willing go down to just to blindly defend Sena. Anyone with very basic reading comprehension can tell what Sena was trying to allude at with that "If you don't like Smile" post. It doesn't take someone with a PHD or a million IQ to come to that conclusion, and it most certainly isn't a "You all read it wrong"/"Took it wrong" situation.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again, people like you who blindly defend Sena are just as bad as the people who directly harass her. You obviously have no principles, no standards, or a moral compass. Only someone driven by an agenda and unwilling to call out shit behavior simply because of Sena's identity. That's just sad.
    Uh-huh sure. That's totally why. Sorry I don't make mountains out of a molehill by spreading dis/misinformation to justify harassing someone. Also do not put words in my mouth.
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    Last edited by Nestama; 09-07-2024 at 08:39 AM.

  2. #212
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vensaval View Post
    Sena uses their identity as a shield against and everyone knows it, but does not going along with the pronoun thing negate any arguments they make against the person themselves? It really doesn't. Not every agrees with the gender ideology thing and I'm probably going to have this as my only response to that in this thread because I've already gone down that road. It's not on topic and is a worthless fight to make against people who don't seem to understand that we simply don't agree.
    I don't agree with Sena's takes, but I find it interesting how alot of you guys argue in the name of "not being a transphobe/racist/whatever else she accused you of" yet quite literally prove one of her points by defending rampant and spiteful misgendering, which has absolutely nothing to do with her performance or how much she "ruined" the game.
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  3. #213
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guntank81 View Post
    People can dislike a character and a va, and be respectful about it.
    Quote Originally Posted by lolnah View Post
    Criticizing a voie actor is fine.
    This would be ideal if you know...not liking Wuk Lamat as a character and not liking a VA's work wasn't automatically attributed to transphobia by Sena herself and her insufferable defenders. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people on here, in game, and on Twitter say something along the lines of "Oh you don't like Wuk Lamat? Its because you're transphobic.", "Oh you dont like her voice? You're Transphobic." or even along the lines of "You can just hear the she sounds better in JP dog whistles".

    I switched to JP voice acting because when we were first introduced to WL back in what...6.5(?) I just didn't like Wuk's EN voice. It made me disinterested in that small patch update to the point where I was dozing off. Many people like me and my friends had no idea who Sena was until she made the official announcement on her Twitter. But I guess me switching the VA to JP long before hand to try to improve my experience makes me a phobe. You're free to disagree and that's your opinion, but downplaying other peoples criticism of Sena's lack of vocal range, depth, and emotion to transphobia isn't doing anyone any favors.

    Wuk Lamat came off as a Mary Sue character that never had a moment of failure. Everything was just handed to her on a silver platter. Oh but we cant criticize her horrible character writing or dislike her as a character for her incredibly insufferable naive nature that gets her in trouble and ends up with GJJ killed.

    Lets not forget the blatant hypocrisy and double standards Sena has. She called for the VA for Bridgett to step down from the role, not because of Kelly Ohanian's talent, or her voice, or her merit, but for the 'heinous crime' of a "cis gendered woman voicing a trans character". Yet Sena has no problem of voicing Wuk Lamat who is never confirmed to be trans at all in any way through the dialogue of DT. If that's the case she should also tell the JP VA for Bridgett to step down too, and I guess by that same standard then she should just step down herself from voicing WL right? Oh wait she isn't going to do that because she is a hypocrite.

    She and her defenders constantly uses her identity and the LGBT label as a shield to deflect any and all valid criticism. Sena and her antics are unhinged, any one who is grounded /normal can tell that just from the way she posts and the way she interacts with others. Conflating and generalizing everyone with valid criticisms with the minority that's actually bigoted, and not holding Sena accountable for the way she is behaving, doesn't do anything other than cause more friction and is what radicalizes people to be against you.
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    Last edited by LarsBehe; 09-06-2024 at 05:20 AM. Reason: re-organizing thoughts

  4. #214
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucatracy View Post
    I don't agree with Sena's takes, but I find it interesting how alot of you guys argue in the name of "not being a transphobe/racist/whatever else she accused you of" yet quite literally prove one of her points by defending rampant and spiteful misgendering, which has absolutely nothing to do with her performance or how much she "ruined" the game.
    He! Man! Male! ♂
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  5. #215
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinFreeman View Post
    He! Man! Male! ♂
    Sorry Lady, Sena is a she
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  6. #216
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bopsheezi View Post
    Sorry Lady, Sena is a she
    It's just someone trying to stir the pot. Best to just ignore. Or report if you want but I don't think just saying male pronouns alone is bannable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bopsheezi View Post
    Sorry Lady, Sena is a she
    Well, we all are allowed to have our opinions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinFreeman View Post
    Well, we all are allowed to have our opinions.
    And their gender isn't for you to decide ma'am.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn View Post
    It's just someone trying to stir the pot. Best to just ignore. Or report if you want but I don't think just saying male pronouns alone is bannable.
    I know you mean well, but staying quiet and ignoring them has only let them fester and grow from my experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bopsheezi View Post
    And their gender isn't for you to decide ma'am.
    All of our genders were decided at birth.
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