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    Quote Originally Posted by Vensaval View Post
    People don't like being accused of "attacking" others when what they're actually doing is criticizing the performance and actions of someone. They're fighting against that.
    Criticizing a voie actor is fine. However, you should take a quick glance at this thread and tell me if people are criticizing her in good faith.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lolnah View Post
    Criticizing a voie actor is fine. However, you should take a quick glance at this thread and tell me if people are criticizing her in good faith.
    Oh, believe me. I've gone through this thread and similar ones. Read over 200 pages total on this subject alone in these threads.

    Yes. They are criticizing Sena in good faith. If you don't like it, then too bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vensaval View Post
    Oh, believe me. I've gone through this thread and similar ones. Read over 200 pages total on this subject alone in these threads.

    Yes. They are criticizing Sena in good faith. If you don't like it, then too bad.
    Reading 200 pages of this subject alone is crazy. Anyway, are they really? Because calling her a "he" and slinging around phrases like "rainbow mafia" doesn't seem to be in good faith to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guntank81 View Post
    People telling her "A Man cannot voice Wuk" "You took jobs from CIS women" Are attacks. These attacks against her are constant and while there has been proper criticism towards her acting in certain scenes, the amount of hate and vitriol overshadows it.
    Quote Originally Posted by lolnah View Post
    Reading 200 pages of this subject alone is crazy. Anyway, are they really? Because calling her a "he" and slinging around phrases like "rainbow mafia" doesn't seem to be in good faith to me.
    I do agree that people that do the above do not argument in good faith. Still, actually reading the threads, people doing the above (or similar) are noticeably in the minority. Most criticism I have seen was factual and not derogatory, or otherwise demeaning to Sena Bryer as a person, and it definitely does not help you or the LGBTQ Community to not separate the actual criticism from the assholes and lumping them all together.
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    Last edited by ovIm; 09-06-2024 at 01:41 AM. Reason: removed a wrong word
    RIP Viper 28/06/2024 - 30/07/2024. It was a fun month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ovIm View Post
    I do agree that people that do the above do not argument in good faith. Still, actually reading the threads, people doing the above (or similar) are noticeably in the minority. Most criticism I have seen was factual and not accusatory, derogatory, or otherwise demeaning to Sena Bryer as a person, and it definitely does not help you or the LGBTQ Community to not separate the actual criticism from the assholes and lumping them all together.
    This.
    I feel quite strongly about this topic, so I've been following the discussion. The people maliciously misgendering her are absolutely the minority.

    The majority of people, especially in the beginning, had absolutely valid and factual critiques, mostly aimed at a subpar vocal performance that detracted from an already subpar product. At this point, however, more and more people have started using a "tit for tat" rhetoric to illustrate the absolute hypocrisy of Sena and her defenders' double standards - especially when she literally insults us, the FF14 community, who pay for this product. This doesn't make her critics transphobes btw.

    Sena is very much giving me s5 Untucked Serena Chacha vibes (if you know, you know) and I don't want someone with that sort of behaviour to represent me.
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