Can Pugilists/Monks Tank

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@ meleena it was an analogy and yes you can compare both ideas because they are both comparing the same idea of using a tool out of context. Look at strider doom technology and the rock assist that was never used until Clockwork found out the technology. Look at CVS2 the A groove was considered garbage until they found out about roll cancelling. My point being is that you cant be closed minded about options in games or you limit possibilities. I am not saying those ideas always come to fruition but if you dont try ( and obviously pugilists have some abilities that are tank like) then how can you ever know?

As far as Vackashken what have you been playing longer than me? How would you even derive a time line of what you are even referring to? I think that when you focus on the back attacks you must understand that I went and looked at the abilities of the pugilist and found they had a taunt, self heal, defensive stance, evasion boosts, and stunning attacks. That is what is being considered as a tank. The damage output is not a factor unless you loose hate but as stated above damage isnt necessary when tanking when you have other tools to raise hate.

The major point of my original post was to find out if it is possible for pugilists or monks to tank. The only person to give a very logical explanation and information to back their claim was Kiote. Kiote was very unbiased and even stated it even had its flaws when being compared to other tank builds. Kiote compared and contrasted all of the current tanking options to the pugilist tanking options.

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I think that when you focus on the back attacks you must understand that I went and looked at the abilities of the pugilist and found they had a taunt, self heal, defensive stance, evasion boosts, and stunning attacks. That is what is being considered as a tank.

You are over-estimating these abilities for tanking.

The benefit of Taunt is not enmity generation, but overriding the hate list to put you (temporarily) at the top. This is most useful for saving someone's butt while a cure is cast or forcing mob attention on you to trigger Haymaker.

The "defensive stance" grants less DEF than a pair of pants and has more utility exploiting enemy weaknesses than keeping you safe; in terms of enmity generation, it's more sensible to use the element to which your target is vulnerable.

The "evasion boost" (singular) is a one-shot, 60-second recast ability. It's a single FFXI Blink shadow--not a guaranteed Utsusemi shadow. This has more tactical use in triggering Haymaker, replenishing MP and/or dodging imminent AoE.

MNK has three "stunning attacks." The first only has a chance to stun when the target has no hate on you, the second only works on evasion and the third only works from behind. In terms of tanking, the only practical ability is the second--the first only works at the start and the third creates an unnecessary risk on certain targets.

The damage output is not a factor unless you loose hate but as stated above damage isnt necessary when tanking when you have other tools to raise hate

Damage output is a factor. This is why MRD is so good at tanking. Did you think it was all Antagonize, Provoke and Flash?