Yoshi-P tells PC Gamer that he is "not shocked" by mixed DT reception

[Alchemii]

She says multiple times that her brothers are better than her at everything. And talks about how great her dad is and how she can't live up to him. She has an inferiority complex. The problem is the writing doesn't commit to it or give a satisfying reason for her growth to overcome it, so it's basically just her saying that a couple times and then suddenly having the power to smash through dimensions.

Show not tell. There's a difference, and it's an important one in storytelling. She says that stuff, but it's never actually shown having any real effect on her or her abilities. It's entirely lip service that comes off as more trying to lift her brothers and father to a higher place than her feeling inferior to them. At least that's how I saw it with how poorly it was done.

[HeyMcFly]

Yoshi will fix her next patch.. trust me bro lmao

yoshi p wants you to enjoy weak character writing!

[GoatOfWar]

It will probably take us a few expansions to have one anywhere remotely close to shadowbringers in quality. More likely we will have stormblood or heavensward quality.

Heavensward was good though.

[Kes13a]

She says multiple times that her brothers are better than her at everything. And talks about how great her dad is and how she can't live up to him. She has an inferiority complex. The problem is the writing doesn't commit to it or give a satisfying reason for her growth to overcome it, so it's basically just her saying that a couple times and then suddenly having the power to smash through dimensions.

she has that power because of everything she learned from us. I mean we were with her for virtually every cutscene all the way through right?

either that, or she is a vampire and sucked all our power out. explains what happened to Krile too, Wuk weakened her so she couldnt do much in the story. and us, who have fought countless Eikons, and gods and meanies at the end of the universe... couldnt beat one AI, but the Wukkie.... who couldnt even phase Bakool Ja Ja (despite putting "everything into it") in Kozama'uka can suddenly break in to "save" us.

[Damnhedge]

This "she stole the show" criticism doesn't make sense to me. Did the Exarch steal the show when he sealed Elidibus in the Tower? Did the Scions steal the show when they shielded the Warrior of Light from the Endsinger? We're still in the fight even after she breaks in. It's not like we get kicked out.

Taking for example Hades, Endsinger, SoS and Eden 8. All of those had dedicated cutscenes to facilitate the NPCs butting in. Narratively all 4 were much stronger and deserved their "Boss Desperation" Phase, Eden 8 itself did what the level 100 trial wanted to portray much better. It's phase change in the middle of the fight has us stop an attempted flood of light from Ryne who can't control the power, the fight ends with her finally fully losing control and starting ANOTHER Flood of Light. Gaia actively jumps in to get us out of literal Super Ice and helps slow down the insta death cast. The level 100 trial on the other hand doesn't have this, unless you're paying attention to the dialogue and the background, Queen Eternal doesn't have this. The fight just stuns you midway through her 2nd kitchen sink attack, to then facilitate Wuk lucking her way into the fight. Had the phase change been us using the Azem magic or literally helping her (and G'raha and Krile while we're at it) escape from the pocket dimension she was sent to, would've been an infinitely better way to have Wuk in the fight. It's not that she stole the show, it's that the phase change was so awfully done that there's no real feeling of "Now it's our turn" like with Hades and Endsinger, and it doesn't feel as earned as Gaia coming into the battlefield.

[Damnhedge]

Slightly off tangent and this is maybe a minor issue, but I just replayed Endwalker on an alt, and did anyone notice the Final Day trial starts the exact same way as the 100 trial?

That's a consistent issue with XIV, they'll have something that works and then try and do it again. We all liked the Hades phase transition, using the primordial light to fight his primordial darkness, so now every story cap trial HAS to have a "Boss Desperation" phase. People liked working together with the Kholusians to build the Talos while special music blared for the entire mini arc? Do it again in Endwalker while building the Ragnarok, right down to the music. Atleast they had the common sense NOT to do it in Dawntrail and just relegate adjusting the train to a cutscene, ofcourse they used smile which is an issue in and of itself.

[Daralii]

That's a consistent issue with XIV, they'll have something that works and then try and do it again. We all liked the Hades phase transition, using the primordial light to fight his primordial darkness, so now every story cap trial HAS to have a "Boss Desperation" phase. People liked working together with the Kholusians to build the Talos while special music blared for the entire mini arc? Do it again in Endwalker while building the Ragnarok, right down to the music. Atleast they had the common sense NOT to do it in Dawntrail and just relegate adjusting the train to a cutscene, ofcourse they used smile which is an issue in and of itself.

Smile and be happy as you turn a train into an explosive battering ram.

[sindriiisgaming]

id like to weigh in with my 2¢ here.

dt's story overall was fine, well the latter half of it was... but the first half felt like ... and probably was filler. The first major issue, prolly the biggest issue is the low stakes.. who cares about sticking some monarch on the throne.. its not our job and its not our business. But another major issue with dt.. is that there is no real villian. no real antagonist. i understand people dont like zenos, but a lot of people dont appreciate why he was so good. he was a constant source of entertainment. he was wild and ferral and allways unpredictable. he was a real threat to us, hed already sent us crying home. and when zenos wasnt around. we had emet. another hilarious villain. emet allways had me giggling and enjoying his company. i knew he was dangerous. but tbh id rather have been around him than ranjit. another also btw very good villain. so i think the lack of this kind of character in DT is part of the reason why this expansion was not fun. zaroolja didnt feel like "this villain" the reject also didnt feel this way.

ranjit was kidnapping and enslaving hundreds of little girls and could have bent arr wol over his knee in a blink
Emet was toying with the garleans like playthings while also showing us a softer side to him
Fandaniel was overbearing with dramatics playing butler to zenos while all the while succeeding in creating real threats for us to deal with
Thordin causes a systematic suppression of murder just to make sure he had full controll of ishgard
gaius had his minions kidnapp, subjugate, kill and torture our allies just to put us under his iron heel
yotsuya was driven mad with revenge and abandonment issues
zenos was born with insane power, had no enjoyment of life, no motivation and no reason, but when he met the wol he found his spark. he tortured us, hunted us and even helped us, just to feel that feeling again.

zaroolja... invaded a city and killed his dad ig?
now ik some feel like sphene is an antagonist, and shes not a bad one. but shes also not.. BAD. shes ai. of a person who was in all likelihood very benevolent. this makes it hard to hate her and be intimidated by her.

[Damnhedge]

Smile and be happy as you turn a train into an explosive battering ram.

That Train was the real hero of DT

[Jojoya]

link to the article:
https://www.pcgamer.com/games/final-...no-not-really/

from the article:

"This being a game, it's a form of entertainment, and you'll always see some form of mixed response to entertainment," Yoshi-P begins, "A second factor is that with Endwalker, we reached a big climax to a long-standing, spanning story. To a certain extent I had already predicted that we would have some sort of mixed response this time.

"So If the question is whether I was shocked in a big way, the answer is no, not really."

"We depicted Wuk Lamat as someone who had a bit of a complex towards her parents and also towards her siblings, and because of that lack of confidence, I think that also contributed to the slow pace and the feeling of frustration.

"If we had maybe portrayed her as more of a confident character, maybe we would not have encountered that kind of situation. So in that regard, I feel that we did something quite bad for Wuk Lamat as a character. And taking on this experience, it made me realise that it's important to consider those things when it comes to showcasing the character to the players."

She didn't need to be portrayed as more confident at the start. We had already been warned that we were basically going to be mentoring her during the MSQ so the lack of confidence wasn't a surprise (especially considering the solo duty in 6.55).

What she needed was to be given adequate time to develop that confidence in a natural fashion. She needed to experience some real failure beyond "oops I fell for Bakool Ja Ja's trick and he got one of my keystones".

The MSQ really suffered because once again they tried to shove 2 different stories into the MSQ. The Rite of Succession should have been all of 7.0, with the follow-up, Shaaloni events and the "break in" prep to Heritage Found being the 7.x series MSQ. Then all the Alexandrian stuff could have been 8.0 MSQ for proper buildup instead of another Meteion 2.0.