The current find/setup party system is great

[Zkieve]

From what I read from you and many others is that you don't understand the system so you hate it. If I'm "missing the point," please inform me of what the point is =)

The point is people dont use it for two reasons.
Its a bad designed mechanic.
There is barely anything to do with party.

get off your cloud , you arent smarter or better informed than anyone.

[Dubont]

The point is people dont use it for two reasons.
Its a bad designed mechanic.
There is barely anything to do with party.

get off your cloud , you arent smarter or better informed than anyone.

I didn't claim to be. I just know that the majority of players in this game refuse to use it because they don't understand how it works. Also, nothing to do with a party? You do realize that, in the long run, grinding sp mobs is more beneficial that leves right? You double your SP even more if you do both...so..nothing to do with a party? Sir, gtfo.

There you go again saying that it's bad...yet I doubt you even bothered to watch the vid and understand how to use it. Give me...3 reasons as to why it's a bad mechanic and I might actually side with you =)

[Krausus]

The point is people dont use it for two reasons.
Its a bad designed mechanic.

Incorrect, the mechanic is sound, there is nothing wrong with the mechanics themselves

There is barely anything to do with party.

Correct that is the one and only issue, do you think a /sea function will fix this? Im fine with an /SEA function but you should at least try and use the current mechanic before you write it off as useless.

Also I did not personally attack you, I know English is not your first language and that might be why every time someone disagrees with you, you immediately go on the defensive as if they attacked you where you retaliate with your personal attacks against the wrongly accused. It does not boad well with your arguments when you stoop down to that level.

[Zkieve]

Incorrect, the mechanic is sound, there is nothing wrong with the mechanics themselves



Correct that is the one and only issue, do you think a /sea function will fix this? Im fine with an /SEA function but you should at least try and use the current mechanic before you write it off as useless.

Also I did not personally attack you, I know English is not your first language and that might be why every time someone disagrees with you, you immediately go on the defensive as if they attacked you where you retaliate with your personal attacks against the wrongly accused. It does not boad well with your arguments when you stoop down to that level.

Do you really believe everyone who says " this is bad" is because they dont use it .I use it every day and is why i can say is a badly designed mechanic, is incomplete.I wont discuss any forward because apparently people are dead set that this system is the best thin ever.To deft ears,

It has nothing to do with English being my second language .You started the convo saying blha blha on core and we had our combos about this same issue before.We know how that ended up.At least i know im not the only one who thinks the current system is a half done system and in great need of improvement.re-read what you said when i was not even talking to you.

the Issue isnt the system it is you, Im pretty sure we talked quite a bit about this on core where you stated you had never seen it used nor had you used it. And again you are trying to take the approach of elitist where somehow you have this nagging fear that some idiot is going to join your party and the server is gonna blow up because of it.

People dont PUG NMs, and any idiot can function well in a grind party. This game isn't rocket science not any one person is going to have such a great effect on any group that you have to be so damn picky. Quit trying to use worse case scenarios that will probably never happen as a basis for argument.

Put your tone down a bit and ill do the same.

[Krausus]

Do you really believe everyone who says " this is bad" is because they dont use it .I use it every day and is why i can say is a badly designed mechanic, is incomplete.I wont discuss any forward because apparently people are dead set that this system is the best thin ever.To deft ears,

It has nothing to do with English being my second language .You started the convo saying blha blha on core and we had our combos about this same issue before.We know how that ended up.At least i know im not the only one who thinks the current system is a half done system and in great need of improvement.re-read what you said when i was not even talking to you.

read above post

[Zkieve]

read above post

yea if you were not so dead set to talk back to me maybe you would noticed i said this.

"No UI is gonna replace a good conversation with someone to know if he is what your looking for.What if the person that joins is not what im looking for ?Okay you like to get random people to join your party , but what about those who dont want this ?should we suck it .Im gonna say the same i said for the agro indicator .Options and customization is how it should be .If you whant to make parties this way , be my guest. I rather sea and ask in 5 min and decide if its the time or not, then go on with my life and try later instead of wasting my time and those who do join if theres is no garantee we will have a full party."

"Im not saying we should get rid of this system . Im saying we need a flag system or similar .The current system does not give you a lot of freedom while making parties , you dont see what is available .All you can do is wait and hope for the best.
I always took pride on how fast i could make parties in ffxi , in here this function just compromise you to trust other people to join you.

Im fine with whoever whants to use it , but i need more control when making parties .When and how i want them.Giving to much into the "luck" factor that your party might work out okay is something im not a fan off.

yes i am an over control freak."

But yea instead lets call everyone who dont agree with you idiots(not you) and say the problem is me for playing as elitists (you).
Or perhaps is just a personal grudge because i eat kittens for breakfeasts, will never know.

[Krausus]

yea if you were not so dead set to talk back to me maybe you would noticed i said this.

"No UI is gonna replace a good conversation with someone to know if he is what your looking for.What if the person that joins is not what im looking for ?Okay you like to get random people to join your party , but what about those who dont want this ?should we suck it .Im gonna say the same i said for the agro indicator .Options and customization is how it should be .If you whant to make parties this way , be my guest. I rather sea and ask in 5 min and decide if its the time or not, then go on with my life and try later instead of wasting my time and those who do join if theres is no garantee we will have a full party."

"Im not saying we should get rid of this system . Im saying we need a flag system or similar .The current system does not give you a lot of freedom while making parties , you dont see what is available .All you can do is wait and hope for the best.
I always took pride on how fast i could make parties in ffxi , in here this function just compromise you to trust other people to join you.

Im fine with whoever whants to use it , but i need more control when making parties .When and how i want them.Giving to much into the "luck" factor that your party might work out okay is something im not a fan off.

yes i am an over control freak."

But yea instead lets call everyone who dont agree with you idiots(not you) and say the problem is me for playing as elitists (you)

Even though you pointed it out that I was not the one that called you an idiot you are still using my posts like I was referring to you as such. I did call you elitist because you are. You are treating XIV like it is XI where a majority of the groups in that game were ran be elitist leaders. I'm saying XIV is designed where that attitude is not needed so there is no reason for you to have to worry so much about it. In which you replied by calling me a retard, nice.

Not to mention my above post that I directed you to not only allows you to still be elitist but it also allows for the current system to remain and adds in an auto join system for those that are not so elitist.

[Zkieve]

Even though you pointed it out that I was not the one that called you an idiot you are still using my posts like I was referring to you as such. I did call you elitist because you are. You are treating XIV like it is XI where a majority of the groups in that game were ran be elitist leaders. I'm saying XIV is designed where that attitude is not needed so there is no reason for you to have to worry so much about it. In which you replied by calling me a retard, nice.

Not to mention my above post that I directed you to not only allows you to still be elitist but it also allows for the current system to remain and adds in an auto join system for those that are not so elitist.

So in the end we agree but we have to call each other idiots for sake of a good discussion? .Is the same thin i was saying before (i admit it) got carried away for the people who keep saying the system fails for lack of information .
perhaps we should drop it, the current system is not great , is incomplete.Is functional , but is far from what it should be .
edit ; Sorry Alexxia (OP) but The current find/setup party system is NOT great