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[Rika007]

( The points I'm not replying means I agree with! )
I'm not totally sure why people keep asking for BRD and MCH to get movement tools. What for beyond pure button bloat? I could be tempted to agree if an actual attack move was locked behind them (like DNC in pvp, etc), but otherwise, this makes little sense. For DNC it used to make sense in ShB but now that they removed the melee attacks from the single target burst... I guess it still makes sense for AoE? Either way, i'd rather them fix things that are actually important than trying to give mobility tools to a role that literally doesn't need any just for the sake of it. And I don't want to see a mobility tool used as an excuse to further nerf the role's damage to the ground (I know we're already in the grave but still).

Because when it was only Dancer doing it it's fine. But it's not only Dancer. It's nearly every job in the game now. Save AST and SCH, every other job has engage tools or flat out movement tools to make hectic moments easier. If it was JUST dancer that was flying around, then sure whatever. But now Picto is topping dps charts with a go anywhere button every 20 seconds. A well played Black Mage is unironically more mobile then both Bard and Mch. Hell even WHM has a f this I'm out button. Every Melee has a disengage tool. Sage can go to whomever and wherever they want.


This is what I mean by they are the odd ones out. And honestly the low damage IMO makes it even more of a reason they should have them. Mobility is supposed to be part of the reason we are paying that stupid ranged tax. MCH and BRD should not feel like they are less mobile then classes that are doing way more damage.

I would hate that change. This is literally what killed all of DNC priority system around Flourish when they introduced different proc buffs from Flourish so that they wouldn't overwrite the ones from the normal combo. On top of it, the only reason you're asking for Hawk's Eye stacking I assume is not to overwrite a RA proc with Barrage, and introducing that change would remove triage and priority gameplay during the burst where it's literally the only place there is any remaining on BRD.

If your concern is that it makes Barrage drift over time, I do agree and over very long fights with absolutely shitty luck, it could end up out of burst (personally never happened to me yet but who knows...). If that's the concern, then I'd rather them to reduce the recast instead. Skill's still way too valuable to use outside of bursts anyway.

Nah they already fixed the RA Barrage proc overwrite issue. Barrage now has it's own buff that grants a use of RA that will get used before Hawks Eye gets used. So if your worried about that killing Bard? Yeah that's already been done.

I purely only want it for two reasons:

1) the odd timings that come up with Iron Jaws sometimes that causes you to need to refresh when you already have an RA proc and also in the opener when you have to setup dots. I personally hated that they put RA procs on Iron Jaws and the bite abilities to start with, but if they are gonna keep it that way I'd like the ability to mitigate that myself. I know I can just do the refresh a GCD before, but that is just not as satisfying as literally waiting till the absolute last second to use IJ and refreshing dots RIGHT as they are about to fall off.

2) I like the idea of being able to stack up RA procs for burst windows. Even if it's only two. Pressing RA is more fun then pressing BA. This has been mitigated a bit by now having Resonant Arrow and Radiant Encore, so burst windows aren't nearly as monotonous as they were on Bard during the awful ShB and EW dark times, but it would just feel better to know near the end of AP that I need to build a stack or two so I can really make my burst hit it's hardest.

[Valence]

Because when it was only Dancer doing it it's fine. But it's not only Dancer. It's nearly every job in the game now. Save AST and SCH, every other job has engage tools or flat out movement tools to make hectic moments easier. If it was JUST dancer that was flying around, then sure whatever. But now Picto is topping dps charts with a go anywhere button every 20 seconds. A well played Black Mage is unironically more mobile then both Bard and Mch. Hell even WHM has a f this I'm out button. Every Melee has a disengage tool. Sage can go to whomever and wherever they want.

This is what I mean by they are the odd ones out. And honestly the low damage IMO makes it even more of a reason they should have them. Mobility is supposed to be part of the reason we are paying that stupid ranged tax. MCH and BRD should not feel like they are less mobile then classes that are doing way more damage.

I just don't like fixing a problem by dipping even more into said problem... And then people complain about homogenization. But I mean, at this point the next job rework is bound for 8.0 anyway and I've stopped caring that much since nobody knows what it will entail.

Nah they already fixed the RA Barrage proc overwrite issue. Barrage now has it's own buff that grants a use of RA that will get used before Hawks Eye gets used. So if your worried about that killing Bard? Yeah that's already been done.

I purely only want it for two reasons:

1) the odd timings that come up with Iron Jaws sometimes that causes you to need to refresh when you already have an RA proc and also in the opener when you have to setup dots. I personally hated that they put RA procs on Iron Jaws and the bite abilities to start with, but if they are gonna keep it that way I'd like the ability to mitigate that myself. I know I can just do the refresh a GCD before, but that is just not as satisfying as literally waiting till the absolute last second to use IJ and refreshing dots RIGHT as they are about to fall off.

2) I like the idea of being able to stack up RA procs for burst windows. Even if it's only two. Pressing RA is more fun then pressing BA. This has been mitigated a bit by now having Resonant Arrow and Radiant Encore, so burst windows aren't nearly as monotonous as they were on Bard during the awful ShB and EW dark times, but it would just feel better to know near the end of AP that I need to build a stack or two so I can really make my burst hit it's hardest.

That completely flew under my radar, I have yet to level BRD to 100 (I'm really burnt out on the job, sadface). Well if anything it makes me want even less to do it now.

I won't deny that the proc rates they have added (in EW? ShB?) on dots and IJs is one of the dumbest things they've done for BRD. Especially for openers. At that point I just removed that from my mind and even if I have a RA proc up already, I use IJs (or dots) and if the 35% procs up and overwrites, then so be it. Because to be frank the IJs snapshot refresh has so much wiggleroom anyway, and it gets absolute precedence.