Frontlines: Leechers and Feeders

[Bobby66]

Frankly, you just ban everyone who does less than X amount of damage from playing the mode.

Anything under 100k is an obvious leech. Under 500k you're basically trolling unless it's the crystal map or you just hard lost, where it likely still is griefing if it's the crystal map.

The mode is all about damage, and hitting over 100k is extremely braindead to do with how much aoe barf jobs have.

If they want to play so badly that they'll grief, they should just specifically lock out all pvp content from the account. They'll grief in other ways, but if they play like that in pve they'll get banned. Just the GMs do not care whatsoever about PvP, so they might as well just automate it and give out permanent content bans.

Before the 'smart' comments about how 100k is too easy, it's an arbitrary number. If it were me, it'd be 500k at minimum since it will force even the worst player to participate, but better to not tell the number.

This is 100% a quick way to kill the entire game mode.

[Enjuden]

This is 100% a quick way to kill the entire game mode.

Sure, if you went the possibly extreme route of what I do as a metric. If you lowballed with less than 100k, then you would get rid of everyone who is 'just there for the exp'/leechers

[Enjuden]

I played Sage maybe once when EW came out in PVP. I didn't use my LB very much in this match but didn't really know where to place it, so I left it alone outside of one use. This match is easily as bad as Frontline used to be when it was full premade or lose. The idea is to hit toxikon on your main target, then once that is down, hit as much of the group as you can. Sage is admittedly pretty hard to do without a second person, but it can be done so long as you don't recklessly use Icarus. What I mean by reckless uses is to always have two charges when you go in, so you can leave immediately after baiting damage onto you with guard. Still, even with the worst case scenario, you can still get over 500k if you play well.

Any other jobs? I do not play Sage at all in PvP, but it was pretty fun to figure it out during this match, and likely can be a bit more optimal with damage. Even in the worst case scenario, you still can contribute with the metric I had so long as you play smart.

[Gaiinahat]

I played Sage maybe once when EW came out in PVP. I didn't use my LB very much in this match but didn't really know where to place it, so I left it alone outside of one use. This match is easily as bad as Frontline used to be when it was full premade or lose. The idea is to hit toxikon on your main target, then once that is down, hit as much of the group as you can. Sage is admittedly pretty hard to do without a second person, but it can be done so long as you don't recklessly use Icarus. What I mean by reckless uses is to always have two charges when you go in, so you can leave immediately after baiting damage onto you with guard. Still, even with the worst case scenario, you can still get over 500k if you play well.

Any other jobs? I do not play Sage at all in PvP, but it was pretty fun to figure it out during this match, and likely can be a bit more optimal with damage. Even in the worst case scenario, you still can contribute with the metric I had so long as you play smart.

My numbers came out to:

SGE: 1-7-7 264k
BLM: 7-1-14 381k
PLD: 0-2-15 256k
WAR: 1-2-23 221k

My biggest surprise was that on BLM I got more kills, less deaths, and a few less assists, yet only did a quarter of the damage you put out.
I noticed you were in Onsal while I did my numbers in Shatter. I'm not sure if that makes a difference.

Your numbers are impressive. I'd love to see you write some sort of guide. That's what us newbies need, more guidance on solo strategies that don't involve "join a premade."

[Enjuden]

My numbers came out to:

SGE: 1-7-7 264k
BLM: 7-1-14 381k
PLD: 0-2-15 256k
WAR: 1-2-23 221k

My biggest surprise was that on BLM I got more kills, less deaths, and a few less assists, yet only did a quarter of the damage you put out.
I noticed you were in Onsal while I did my numbers in Shatter. I'm not sure if that makes a difference.

Your numbers are impressive. I'd love to see you write some sort of guide. That's what us newbies need, more guidance on solo strategies that don't involve "join a premade."

I can try to, though I'm definitely not the best when it comes to these things. If you want me to take a guess as to why the numbers are like that on Black Mage, you are likely focusing too much on Ice spells rather than Fire. I focus on Damage over Time with Fire, as Ice stun/root is too predictable and generally not worth it. I will see if someone else wrote a guide first before doing so, as Frontline is rather old, and I'm sure someone had already.

For Shatter, I think the damage numbers can be lessened to a degree because you're mostly doing pve content anyway in that mode, and you're really only doing damage to other players accidentally for the most part. It is very rare for people to focus on PvP in that mode unless you're trying to deny small ice points, or simply have nothing better to do and your team just wants to go after a particular team on big for whatever reason.