Questionable ethics - Living Memory

[Carolingian]

They aren't, the golden city shadows are simulations of people. They're coded to act in a way, to have specific desires, to have specific dreams, to have specific ranged of emotions.
They're snapshots of people who used to exist.

They're obviously not coded because they're actual memories. They're clones at worst. There's more code in the Omicrons and Gigi than in the Endless.

Actually I think the Omnicrons and the Endless are two different things.
The Omnicrons evolved to the point they are seen in Ultima Thule and are a sort of "evolving machine". They can learn, grow and adapt. They are actual life forms, just in a non flesh body.

The Endless do not evolve. All they are is memory data. They don't really learn anything being in Living Memory and seem to exist to be a coping mechanism for Sphene. They are the idea of "memories make people/ideas immortal" to the negative extreme. They are unnatural.

The Endless do learn and evolve though. Cahciua is a prime example of this. She has learned and changed to the point of becoming a rebel leader who wants to end her own existence.

[lolnotacat]

The Endless do learn and evolve though. Cahciua is a prime example of this. She has learned and changed to the point of becoming a rebel leader who wants to end her own existence.

This whole conversation reminds me of one of my favorite pieces of fiction ever and why, with the way the endless were written and portrayed, were more than just AI or chatbots.

Now if the endless were retconned to be shown to be mindless automatons, that'd be fine, but the fact the endless were very aware of their existence, were intelligent, and conscious of their surroundings, and able to act upon new information tells me they were sentient beings, despite what the garbage writing says.

Also a sidenote, the writing for DT was absolute dogwater the entire way though, I don't know why anyone is defending it here.

[Carolingian]

This whole conversation reminds me of one of my favorite pieces of fiction ever and why, with the way the endless were written and portrayed, were more than just AI or chatbots.

Now if the endless were retconned to be shown to be mindless automatons, that'd be fine, but the fact the endless were very aware of their existence, were intelligent, and conscious of their surroundings, and able to act upon new information tells me they were sentient beings, despite what the garbage writing says.

Also a sidenote, the writing for DT was absolute dogwater the entire way though, I don't know why anyone is defending it here.

Yup, The Measure of a Man and Voyager's Author Author are exactly why I believe the Endless are sentient beings and we (/the writing) shouldn't have been as quick about ending their existence.

Some people here keep saying that they're just code and only exist because Sphene can't let go. But the fact that said code can go against Sphene to the degree of destroying her and all Endless shows that they aren't just code only there for Sphene's entertainment. It shows that they've got their own desires, thoughts, and dreams. It shows that they're self-aware. It shows that they're sentient.

[Turtledeluxe]

Yup, The Measure of a Man and Voyager's Author Author are exactly why I believe the Endless are sentient beings and we (/the writing) shouldn't have been as quick about ending their existence.

Some people here keep saying that they're just code and only exist because Sphene can't let go. But the fact that said code can go against Sphene to the degree of destroying her and all Endless shows that they aren't just code only there for Sphene's entertainment. It shows that they've got their own desires, thoughts, and dreams. It shows that they're self-aware. It shows that they're sentient.

Just invoking a book/show/whatever doesn't make your take any less of a misunderstanding. Endless who can go against Sphene probably had the capacity to face adversity long before becoming an Endless. They could probably problem solve long before becoming an Endless. You have failed to definitively prove anything they do is novel, but rather only pointed out behaviors they could have well been capable of prior to their Endless state. You seem to be implying the original humans were unable to form new desires or new dreams? I am pretty sure they could do that. Being a new instance that is acting based on a source (memory aether) does not prove sentience. Being self aware also does not prove sentience.