Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

[ZXN]

...I want 7.1+ to tackle these important topics (especially the one where you cannot just rule by kindness and understanding), but I don't think I have the faith required for that. We will have to see in the future.

Unfortunately they most likely won't given how the entire Mainstory MSQ pushed Wuk Lamat from beginning to end. Even if they did try to "challenge" her mindset with the patches again like they "tried" to do with the MSQ once in awhile, it would just result in the "Perfect" outcome in favor of Wuk Lamat as it would no doubt end with her mindset staying the exact same, but once again having everyone around her accept her stance as the only "correct" one they need to go by and that'll lead to greater peace and happiness for everyone.

Endwalker's story was just "The Power Of Friendship Overcomes Anything And Everything" to beat a sad birb girl. Zero's story was her learning that "The Power Of Friendship Overcomes Anything And Everything" to overcome Zeromus, embrace the light, and befriend Golbez. Now here Wuk Lamat's story in Dawntrail is, yet again, "The Power Of Friendship Overcomes Anything And Everything" as her friends and acquaintances help her through her entire journey, and where her friendship with Sphene is so strong that she somehow reverses a factory reset to bring her memories back so WE can help HER stop Sphene for good.

Cannot wait for the 4TH straight MSQ story in a row where the entire moral is once again just "The Power Of Friendship Overcomes Anything And Everything" but this time Sphene or Gulool Ja learns it!

[CamuiKushi]

What would Garlemald have to offer though? They just ended a civil war and also was one of the areas that experienced the Final Days via blasphemies. And Right now they’re in a perpetual state of rebuilding, and what they offered to Radz-at-Han wasn’t military or troops either. Plus I doubt they’d want to help with some other nations conflict, they might have accepted our help but they’re still wary on that.

That was the plot of the patches for EW. Figuring out what they had to offer, and then they entered a trade agreement with Radz. Even if they just had a few standard airships and nothing major like one of their battleships it still would have been cool to see.

Hell, have it be both Radz and Garlemald if they didn't think it was realistic having a whole float of Garlean ships. But it just would have been poetic having our former arch enemies helping in a new era.

[Papayatar]

That was the plot of the patches for EW. Figuring out what they had to offer, and then they entered a trade agreement with Radz. Even if they just had a few standard airships and nothing major like one of their battleships it still would have been cool to see.

Hell, have it be both Radz and Garlemald if they didn't think it was realistic having a whole float of Garlean ships. But it just would have been poetic having our former arch enemies helping in a new era.

Garlemald just isn’t in a position to help with the fighting is all I’m saying.

But, if they had to be shoehorned in then a similar trade agreement with Tural might have worked, but I don’t think they could do much? Arnt they offering Radz cereleum and tech stuff or w/e? So at best they’d be future patch help, like with the train?

[Raven2014]

Garlemald just isn’t in a position to help with the fighting is all I’m saying.

But, if they had to be shoehorned in then a similar trade agreement with Tural might have worked, but I don’t think they could do much? Arnt they offering Radz cereleum and tech stuff or w/e? So at best they’d be future patch help, like with the train?

A trade deal between Tural and Garlemald will make far less sense than the one between Radz and Garlemald.

The only things or rather, the main thing Garlemald has to offer is cereleum, which is something Radz doesn't have.

Tural has cereleum in abundant at their Texas looks alike province.


I don't see any reason for Garlemald to get involved with Tural, not yet anyway. There are plenty of potential interaction with the Alliance nations. If anything, the should keep it that way to allow room for the narrative to jump around and diverse from Tural once a while. We already see the disastrous effect when the narrative try to tie and connect literally everything to a single focal point (Wuk Lamak). I certainly wouldn't want Tural become the "nation version of Wuk Lamak" for the next two years, that would be terrifying.

[Lady_Silvermoon]

Technically Sphene put him there. She made his father king, and then he made sure the authority passed to his son. Sure, they could get angry about that and I wouldn't blame them, but saying we put him there is not true.

Gulool Ja did not want to be king and wanted to immediately relinquish the power, but he was told to hold onto it by Wuk Lamat BECAUSE it gives him sole control of the Alexandrian military.

[Papayatar]

A trade deal between Tural and Garlemald will make far less sense than the one between Radz and Garlemald.

The only things or rather, the main thing Garlemald has to offer is cereleum, which is something Radz doesn't have.

Tural has cereleum in abundant at their Texas looks alike province.


I don't see any reason for Garlemald to get involved with Tural, not yet anyway. There are plenty of potential interaction with the Alliance nations. If anything, the should keep it that way to allow room for the narrative to jump around and diverse from Tural once a while. We already see the disastrous effect when the narrative try to tie and connect literally everything to a single focal point (Wuk Lamak). I certainly wouldn't want Tural become the "nation version of Wuk Lamak" for the next two years, that would be terrifying.

Honestly I agree with you. I just picked the one thing they had in common as a trade option to try to find something worth trading to Tural, cuz they are just not really in any state to trade anything else. Plus what does Tural have that would be worth it to Garlemald? I don’t Garlemald needs rainbow bananas, tacos, and good vibes.

Also that would be such a bummer to try to tie everything to Tural. Not just for this expansion but then the domino effect it would have on future expansions. It’d have the potential to be the “pray return to the waking sands”.

[arstoka]

A trade deal between Tural and Garlemald will make far less sense than the one between Radz and Garlemald.

The only things or rather, the main thing Garlemald has to offer is cereleum, which is something Radz doesn't have.

Tural has cereleum in abundant at their Texas looks alike province.


I don't see any reason for Garlemald to get involved with Tural, not yet anyway. There are plenty of potential interaction with the Alliance nations. If anything, the should keep it that way to allow room for the narrative to jump around and diverse from Tural once a while. We already see the disastrous effect when the narrative try to tie and connect literally everything to a single focal point (Wuk Lamak). I certainly wouldn't want Tural become the "nation version of Wuk Lamak" for the next two years, that would be terrifying.

The subplot about reactivating he Garlean Tower to the moon was already bad enough and treated just in an incredibly ham-fisted way, I'd absolutely HATE to see Garlemald involved in ANY kind of politics, let alone bailing out Tural. On multiple levels it wouldn't make sense. At best it's a ra-ra converted enemies to allies at lightning speed, and at worst it is the re-traumatizing of literal nations by having their invaders fly unabated through previously conquered lands and Alliance owned lands.

The fall of Garlemald wasn't that long ago as per the timeline of events from Endwalker to Dawntrail. They might have a FRESH trade agreement with Radz-at-Han but they are absolutely DECIMATED and still receiving copious amounts of aid from other nations. They're still living in the train stations under their husk of a city and have only just recently started forming some semblance of a government.

From a political stand point and, geographically speaking, Garlemald is still blocked by both Alliances to the East and West. Other then the mentioned Ceruleum, Garlemald has nothing to offer Tural other than its technological advancements which...Sharlayan has already provided in the form of Koana's acquisitions of knowledge to construct transit and aetheryte crystals. Even if Tural wanted these things from Garlemald, transportation would have to be sanctioned by either the East or Western Alliances depending on the trade route and I guarantee you, in a well build world, there would be a lot of red tape and political manoeuvring that would need to occur over potentially YEARS to even consider sending machinery that could be modified into weaponry from a former, imperialist, expansionist minded empire.

And this is just a breakdown on to elaborate on what you have already pointed out.

[undull1]

The solution 9 resolution makes sense from the players perspective sure but the common folk who actually live there are given none of this context and suddenly cheer the decision on anyway and are shown visiting tullyolyal and being good little subjects of our dawnservant of the seventh dawn.

For a story that has been hyperfixated on showing the opinions and politics of the normal citizens who make their states up, the solution 9 stuff seems wildly out of place.

Also on that note, solution 9 still has the super technology that decimated Alexandria and is seemingly open and known about based on the final cutscene. I refuse to believe these people arent getting plundered or starting or forming their own allagan empire within a few months.

[Xieldras]

Gulool Ja did not want to be king and wanted to immediately relinquish the power, but he was told to hold onto it by Wuk Lamat BECAUSE it gives him sole control of the Alexandrian military.

Maybe it's just me being very skeptic, but I also see Gulool Ja as only accepting because Wuk lovebombed him with the "real family" schtick. I don't know why but throughout that specific interaction I had bad vibes (not helped by the Scions joining in and agreeing).

And "family" do things for each other right?

Yok Tural is a terrible backward nation where everyone is forced to wear the same uniform like Khmer Rouge.

Kind of glad someone else mentioned it because it find it weird every time I walk through Tuliyolall. For a city as diverse as its numerous tribes and people, I do not understand why they all wears the same outfit with the same colors (with maybe a variation or two) as if it's a work uniform. Was there a lack of budget so they just put the clothes model on everyone and called it a day?

[Maltothoris]

So there was an interesting article that came alonghttps://www.pcgamesn.com/final-fanta...hida-interview

Just him talking botu the Arcadion Raid and some other characters but prob the best thing to notice is that Wuk Lamat wasn't mentioned at all. The gag character Wuk Eve was mentioned and even Brute Bomber over Wuk,