Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

[Remiferia]

There's idealism, and then there's this.

It isn't Idealism, it's Hiroi being a hack.

Tural is laughably easy to unite because all of the tribes' differences can be settled by growing plants, giving seeds, making food and trading junk like the simpletons they all are. Wuk Lamat was able to follow his footsteps to the letter just by winging it.

There are no wider morals beyond getting from A to B. The 'idealism' falls apart when Solution Nine came into the picture. Now suddenly it's okay to shit on their culture, call it unnatural, look at people with disgust, kill their monarchs, install puppet leaders, announce that Solution Nine is under the 'protection' of Tuliyollal like we are the French 100-200 years ago, strike down any dissent from natives and walk out to the tune of Smile telling us we are heroes for it.

In a real world where there are at least two major ongoing conflicts right now, where the aggressors have invaded their neighbour under the pretense of 'enforcing peace', you'd think Vladimir Wuk's actions wouldn't be seen as the perfect idyllic choices they were made out to be.

I'm not sure the lead writer even understands what monster he's created with this, and he should be thankful that the wider FF14 community - who laud the narrative as much as they do - can't actually read to pick up on this.

[ArcturusWhisper]

It isn't Idealism, it's Hiroi being a hack.

Tural is laughably easy to unite because all of the tribes' differences can be settled by growing plants, giving seeds, making food and trading junk like the simpletons they all are. Wuk Lamat was able to follow his footsteps to the letter just by winging it.

There are no wider morals beyond getting from A to B. The 'idealism' falls apart when Solution Nine came into the picture. Now suddenly it's okay to shit on their culture, call it unnatural, look at people with disgust, kill their monarchs, install puppet leaders, announce that Solution Nine is under the 'protection' of Tuliyollal like we are the French 100-200 years ago, strike down any dissent from natives and walk out to the tune of Smile telling us we are heroes for it.

In a real world where there are at least two major ongoing conflicts right now, where the aggressors have invaded their neighbour under the pretense of 'enforcing peace', you'd think Vladimir Wuk's actions wouldn't be seen as the perfect idyllic choices they were made out to be.

I'm not sure the lead writer even understands what monster he's created with this, and he should be thankful that the wider FF14 community - who laud the narrative as much as they do - can't actually read to pick up on this.

While I get what you are trying to say, Alexandria is trying to genocide the Source, I am not crying too many tears for them. They are the aggressors. Don't want to get your monarch killed? Don't invade the Source.

And did we really shit on their culture that much? We are hit with constant barrage of in-your-face "that's their way of life, we shouldn't judge blah blah blah". But you are right that there is literally no discussion on the actual moral conflict of this. The Devs are cowards in shying away from actually debating the issue. We just pretend we are all fine with what Alexandria is doing except the invading source part, even though canonically it could be very in character for a lot of people to not be fine with this.

Maybe because I am personally not too fond of Solution 9, so I am really not very bothered by this in particular. It is actually surprisingly okay in the sense that at least we did have to kill their monarch to stop their aggression, instead of you know, sing Kumbaya and Sphene suddenly repents or whatever. THAT would have been vomit inducing.