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    Quote Originally Posted by CidHeiral View Post
    People trot out this quote quite a bit but they're not really comparable. Emet is referring to beings who have souls. The Endless are just simulacrums made from data. It's like insisting your Legos are alive and when someone tells you that's ridiculous you pull out the Emet quote.
    It's never been determined in this story what "alive" really means, it's never been defined. Therefore having, or not having, a soul is irrelevant. I wish that zone had delved into the entire question of what it really means to be alive in this story's world, but it did not sadly. It could have made for a far more interesting and emotional story imo.

    That DT zone did however show us thinking, feeling people with hopes and dreams yet said that deleting them was not something to feel bad about simply because they were 'incomplete'. Emet-Selch felt that despite the sundered's abilities to think, feel, have hopes and dreams they were not truly alive simply because they are 'incomplete'. Same thing.

    That zone failed by showing one thing and saying another, simply sloppy writing really, but unfortunately that does leave a rather difficult moral failure according to pre-existing in-story lore.

    Quote Originally Posted by Y2K21 View Post
    Didnt we just have an entire beast tribe that involved the Omnicrons who technically are robots with uploaded consciousness?
    Yes, that also leaves a planet sized plot hole! Our WoL's either forgot or didn't feel it was relevant to mention that fact. Despite Sphene in one scene stating she wanted to find a peaceful way.
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    Last edited by Fiel_Tana; 08-19-2024 at 10:07 AM. Reason: Quoting relevant post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiel_Tana View Post
    Yes, that also leaves a planet sized plot hole! Our WoL's either forgot or didn't feel it was relevant to mention that fact. Despite Sphene in one scene stating she wanted to find a peaceful way.
    Listen, we couldnt do it during the MSQ - we need a plot for the Post MSQ!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiel_Tana View Post
    It's never been determined in this story what "alive" really means, it's never been defined.
    It has been defined in detail on multiple occasions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiel_Tana View Post
    That DT zone did however show us thinking, feeling people with hopes and dreams yet said that deleting them was not something to feel bad about simply because they were 'incomplete'. Emet-Selch felt that despite the sundered's abilities to think, feel, have hopes and dreams they were not truly alive simply because they are 'incomplete'. Same thing.
    You seem to have a very fundamental misunderstanding of both those sections of the game. I'd recommend going through again on New Game+ and paying closer attention to what is being said.
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