Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

[Annapaw]

tbh might quit the game if she is in the post expansion or next one god forbid, the VA is soo bad and worse is her behavior in social media.
btw cry all you want im not transphobic im pro lgbtq

[Mnemy]

I wouldn't call a her primal, that's an insult to primals... remember people, stupidity is contagious, so she should be called a plague.

She needs to get quarantined. Fucking stupidity of this magnitude is dangerous

[lolnotacat]

She needs to get quarantined. Fucking stupidity of this manitude is dangerous

Lock her up in Azys Lamat.

[Carin-Eri]

Goodness, I was so tuned out of the story I completely forgot about the Final Days. It wasn't even mentioned in a single line, was it? Not even a throwaway thing like a Scion saying it appears the lands of Tural were spared from the event. Which narratively makes no sense to me how something of that scale wasn't acknowledged by a single person in the entirety of DT.

Unless I missed/forgot something?

No. There was a throwaway line of dialogue when we met - I think - Cahciua where we comment on how we "might have saved the Star" (or something like that - I forget the exact line of dialogue). But we don't elaborate on it, nor are we asked to; and it's almost played off as 'us' being boastful.

[Rannie]

No. There was a throwaway line of dialogue when we met - I think - Cahciua where we comment on how we "might have saved the Star" (or something like that - I forget the exact line of dialogue). But we don't elaborate on it, nor are we asked to; and it's almost played off as 'us' being boastful.

It's when we meet up or around that time we're with the chick that knew erenville and his momma... at the rubber bullet town. atleast that's one time i remember us being able to click on a dialogue option and specifically chose it.

[Carin-Eri]

It's when we meet up or around that time we're with the chick that knew erenville and his momma... at the rubber bullet town. atleast that's one time i remember us being able to click on a dialogue option and specifically chose it.

Thank you - memory of that line of dialogue is vague and I only really remember it because it irritated me!

Eitherway, it did feel as if it was played off as us being boastful, and was not helped by the fact that Erenville didn't say anything to support us. And I ended up feeling as if I should've chosen whatever the other option was.

[ArcturusWhisper]

I think trying to talk about Wuk Lamat's shortcomings in characterisation is missing the forest for the trees. The issue is that the new writing team seemingly don't know how to execute a full character arc across the form of an MMO expansion story and that is infinitely more concerning to me than one dud character.

*snip*

The writing team have simply failed. Wuk Lamat is a primary victim of a far more ominous outlook on the quality of future content, not the perpetrator of a bad story.

This is actually true. Wuk Lamat is the most grating due to her hogging all the screen time with this level of bad writing. But everything else is ALSO bad, be they new characters like Koana and Zoraal Ja or old characters like Krile or the twins. The new characters all have POTENTIAL, even Wuk Lamat. She has potential, as do others. They are all valid archetype characters that could become lovely if written well. But the devs don't seem to know how to translate a character sheet into an actual character. On paper their traits all look great and it can work, but the execution is sorely lacking. The world building, the logic of the event progression, and all the dialogues, they are so often superficial and bad.

Gods the dialogues. They are in your face, like rattling off character traits to you without the actual portraying. I am actually rather endeared by Koana because he's a type of character that I do like, but he's also badly written. How he's shown to be caring about his sister is sooooo heavy-handed and ham-fisted it's giving me second-hand embarrassment. It's just all so transparent, we know what they are trying to convey, and they hit you with a dialogue/scenario with zero subtlety, and you are left with feeling ridiculous. I like what he could have been, and I headcanon him to be what he could have been, and he's better written than Wuk Lamat, but at the end of the day, the devs really didn't deliver any well-written characters. Some are better than others, but none can be considered good.

And plot holes, the abundance of plot holes! *Weeps* Why are the Hanuhanu forgetting about the way their crops are cared for? Why do the WoL and twins allow Wuk Lamat to be kidnap by some random thug? Why do the xenophobic Mamook accept outsiders within half a day? Remember how much effort it took for the Ishgardians to warm up to us? Why are all the scions and WoL just watch Gulool Ja Ja get murdered? It goes on and on...

[Kennar]

And plot holes, the abundance of plot holes! *Weeps* Why are the Hanuhanu forget about the way their crops are cared for?

I did the Vanuvanu Hanuhanu quests first and I'm still mad about it over a month later. What kills me is that Wuk Evu knew the parade float was an aetheric focus and didn't offer to make repairs until Lamat asked him to, and the head of the village outright admitted that the festival wasn't effective because they had been half-assing it for years! They have an aetheric laser (aaser?) that magically makes their crops better with highly visible and immediate results, and they just didn't care enough to do the ceremony right! "Oh, I'm sad because a storm wrecked a house and someone died. *shrug* I guess we'll all starve." And Wuk Lamat even saw the festival as a kid and didn't know anything about the damn laser beam! I don't think that's something a kid would forget!

I think that bit of poor writing hit me harder because I'm a farmer in a semi-arid region. I know what it's like to lose a crop to weather. It sucks, to put it mildly. If dancing naked in front of the county courthouse would guarantee a good rain for everyone, I would be putting on two shows a month. It would be stupid not to.

[ArcturusWhisper]

To me the end scenes were also a final reminder of why I never felt properly relaxed in the inn, by the way. She knows where we sleep and we'll never know peace. They had so many quests and cutscenes near the reception, some of which actively prevented you from entering the inn to see to your retainers or glams or do anything at all to get a break from the never-ending Wuk Lamat cutscene show. It's a lovely cabin, but I still half-expect her to come knocking on the door again.

lol now that you mentioned it, ME TOO!

I never figured out why I like the Sharlayan Annex better than the new inn because aesthetically the new inn looks better to me, but I just...don't feel relaxed. And now you solved it for me. Because of my subconscious anxiety!

I did the Vanuvanu Hanuhanu quests first and I'm still mad about it over a month later. What kills me is that Wuk Evu knew the parade float was an aetheric focus and didn't offer to make repairs until Lamat asked him to, and the head of the village outright admitted that the festival wasn't effective because they had been half-assing it for years! They have an aetheric laser (aaser?) that magically makes their crops better with highly visible and immediate results, and they just didn't care enough to do the ceremony right! "Oh, I'm sad because a storm wrecked a house and someone died. *shrug* I guess we'll all starve." And Wuk Lamat even saw the festival as a kid and didn't know anything about the damn laser beam! I don't think that's something a kid would forget!

I think that bit of poor writing hit me harder because I'm a farmer in a semi-arid region. I know what it's like to lose a crop to weather. It sucks, to put it mildly. If dancing naked in front of the county courthouse would guarantee a good rain for everyone, I would be putting on two shows a month. It would be stupid not to.

Yeah in the grand scheme of things it seems like such a minor point but when you look at it properly it's just so ridiculous how that quest progresses. It makes zero sense. Nobody in real life will act the way these characters did in game. I can believe a "forgotten ritual" if they say that they haven't been doing this for a long time, they have other ways of caring for crops now, but this new way of caring for crops failed after this natural disaster and they don't know what to do now. AND THEN maybe we can go re-discover an ancient ritual that do the trick. It would have made sense. As it stands now this is just moronic.

[gumas]

There is so many weird scene that make me question why they do this

- rubber bullet
- we decide not to kill cold blooded bandit because... It will bring bad reputation for wuk lamat.... Huh?
- gulool jaja dead and the whole gang just... Yell at zooral and stare at him
- ketenram just... Sit in criss cross position and facing the void the whole time gulool jaja dead and didnt say a word... What?
- ketenram got ambushed but turn out just a "bonk" on his head?
- whole gang wait THREE times before realizing the brown cat is kidnapped
- the goblin dont know why their employee cant work properly despite they clearly sweating and realistically shouldnt they complain to the goblin? Why they just stay quiet? Any normal worker would complain
- valigarmanda was told to be very menacing but.... Thats it?
- the whole mamook village problem
- bakool jaja sudden 180 attitude change
- wuk lamat attitude went from cautious (duty support dialogue) to being cocky and godly starting vanguard dungeon
- she also suddenly power up so much after beating bakool jaja once
- the whole musical scene during train retrofitting
- krile the character that has been with us for many years, got shafted for a brown cat that has been with us for a week top
- speeeeen

And much more, like... I dont believe the dev or yoshi look at all that and just "this is fine" with it, no way i dont buy it, there is must be somekind of backdoor playing over there, did someone at top position daughter/son want to be writer so they order the dev to let she/he handle all of it? Did someone on the team is having mad love with wuk lamat so he want her to be in the story 99%? Is wuk lamat a self insert of someone in the team (this is the many case of mary sue character in western game), did yoshi give full freedom to the writer because its "holiday" expansion?

This one expansion alone almost break the whole community and i hope the team seriously will address this, like for real, the game went from solid 8 to me to solid 5 now all thanks to this expansion

The ONLY one thing that still good from this whole mess is the ost.... Thats it, the rest is broken, the story, the writing, the plot, the class balance, etc